Largo vs Blofeld

[recursive one]

Don't tell this to Wagtunes

[exmatproton]

Well, it's a master volume per layer. Each filter has a separate output control, as you can see in the pic (actually, my bad talking of a "pan" control, in fact it's the filter output control, AND the pan control). But, as Ingonator wrote, if you're looking for a master volume control for all layers, there is none.

But, since we are working in a DAW anyway, we don't really need an all-layer-master gain control. At least, i don't. The fact that there is gain and pan control, per layer and *per filter* (unlike oh, i don't know, Icarus.... ), makes the output very versitile imho. I love Largo.

[rod_zero]

Wow, I have not seen the master volume control per layer, and there is no info on the manual about it. Quite small and in the middle of other controls. Is that GUi the Au version?, because mine doesnt look like that (the layer controls at the top).

I own Largo and this was driving me crazy,

[chk071]

If you mean the english manual, see page 38 "Amplifier section".

[EnGee]

Yesterday night I spent it trying to make the same preset in the three synths Serum, Dune 2 and Largo. Even trying to do the same presets, led to very different characters. There is no best in sound between them but Serum had more punch and presence, Dune 2 has more "trancy" feel while Largo has deep sad Depeche Mody feel (which I love of course).

About Blofeld, it's almost identical to Largo for me. It's just easier for me to use Largo in the host

[Everglide]

However, I wouldn't buy the desktop version, unless you want to use it in a gig. Largo + laptop is a better investment especially if you are going to do your presets. Anyway, controlling Largo with a Blofeld is fantastic although not 100% for all parameters, but most off

Does this work straight off the bat? I hope you understand the expression.

[EnGee]

However, I wouldn't buy the desktop version, unless you want to use it in a gig. Largo + laptop is a better investment especially if you are going to do your presets. Anyway, controlling Largo with a Blofeld is fantastic although not 100% for all parameters, but most off

Does this work straight off the bat? I hope you understand the expression.

Do you mean controlling Largo with Blofeld?
Yes, but there are minor things don't work, like modulation matrix and arpeggio I think, but most of everything (wavetables, filter, envelopes, ..etc) is working.

[Everglide]

That is brilliant, thank you EnGee. I assumed the CC are exactly the same for both Largo & Blofeld so its just works. I've always liked the white Blofeld keyboard and now I have an excuse to pull the trigger.

[Ingonator]

At least, i don't. The fact that there is gain and pan control, per layer and *per filter* (unlike oh, i don't know, Icarus.... ), makes the output very versitile imho.

Of course this is nice the way it is done in Largo (and Blofeld) but as mentioned multiple times in Icarus there is a filter volume knob if you choose the "Volume" Drive mode. While you could no longer use another Drive mode for that filter this is still an option to set the filter volume, even if you want to ignore it.
You could also add the Drive modes in the effect section if you need it for both filters. Also possible set e.g. another Drive mode in filter 1 and adjust the volume of filter 2 using the Volume Drive mode.
FWIW i had used this for a few of my own Icarus patches alraedy (using the parallel filter).

Not sure if i am the only one that currently owns and uses a Blofeld, Largo and Icarus (while i own Blofeld since more than 6 years and Largo since 7 years). All 3 seem to be extremely versatile and powerful and none of those is a full replacement for the other 2 (especially Largo and Icarus are quite different sound and feature wise).
Also worth to mention that while i received free NFRs from both Waldorf and Tone2 i had purchased both Largo and Blofeld for the full prices (Largo was even a boxed version), including the SL update for the Blofeld desktop.

[EnGee]

That is brilliant, thank you EnGee. I assumed the CC are exactly the same for both Largo & Blofeld so its just works. I've always liked the white Blofeld keyboard and now I have an excuse to pull the trigger.

You are welcome
Yes, they are mostly the same. For example, the first choice in the Wavetables in Blofeld is "Silence" and the second one is "Pulse", while in Largo it is "Pulse" the first one, so even though the wavetables are exactly the same and in the same order, but there is 1 difference in the index. Other thing for example, the envelope. The envelope kind can't be controlled from the same knob, but the Attack, Decay, ..etc are all controllable. So, most CC messages but not all.

There are some other differences, but they are something like the above. Anyway, when I change the parameters in Largo, they are not changed in Blofeld (or at least I didn't know how to do it). So, it is one way control, unless I missed something.

[rod_zero]

I also used blofeld to control Largo un the past, if I remember well you also cant control the effects.

[Synthetic Wav]

both can sound very close , overall blofled sound a bit better ,it can sound a bit less "flat" ,i think its probably cause of the converters, it s a change in term of "dynamic" 3d organic... not something coming from a sample rate difference to me , so probably the da stage . i haven t done much test but it s what i heard

[Hanz Meyzer]

"Hardware vs. software" is misleading here, it's both software.

I don't believe that Blofeld hardware anyhow can sound "better". The Blofeld hardware uses quite similar Waldorf algorithms, only running it on an ARM processor instead Intel. A usual intel processor has much more power than an ARM like in this device. So I would assume, that the software actually produces higher quality results, since there is more power available to do so. Maybe you just love the aliasing that the blofeld produces?

We won't know until someone actually makes some tests and posts results in here. Like playing a monophonic sine, pitching a sine etc.

[Astralp]

I own Largo and a Micro Q and have owned a Blofeld, I like the sound of the Micro Q more than the Blofeld but it's a different synth architecture. From memory I would say that the Blofeld was a bit murkier than Largo which has more clarity. They all sound great though, I don't think the differences are very important to be honest, it's more about how you want to work and what inspires your workflow. I would love to be able to import wavetables into Largo though like Komplexor/Blofeld.

[rod_zero]

I had both, I liked the sounds of both. I prefr Largo because it allows higher polyphony and the USB connection in the blo introduces noise.