Who uses Noatikl

[awol9000]

Just when I started thinking there was no more new ideas out there I stumble upon this. It could be that I'm still a little sleepy/waking up but after reading this thread and browsing your site I'm becoming very excited.

All your products show more innovation than anything that has been released as of late in the VST world (we don't need more analog modelled synths!) Congrats. Also I've never had a need for an Ipad until I saw what you could do with Mixtikl.

I'm looking forward to messing around with the demos today. Shit, I gotta go my daughter just spilled my coffee on my cellphone.

[pckvr]

Just when I started thinking there was no more new ideas out there I stumble upon this. It could be that I'm still a little sleepy/waking up but after reading this thread and browsing your site I'm becoming very excited.

All your products show more innovation than anything that has been released as of late in the VST world (we don't need more analog modelled synths!) Congrats. Also I've never had a need for an Ipad until I saw what you could do with Mixtikl.

I'm looking forward to messing around with the demos today. Shit, I gotta go my daughter just spilled my coffee on my cellphone.

Thank you kindly. The road of innovation is quite risky, some ideas work and some don't. But it *does* make for a more interesting journey!

We've received at least one other comment saying that Mixtikl justified the purchase of an iPad - which was nice.

http://www.intermorphic.com/tools/mixtikl/quotes.html

Anyhow - I hope you get a lot of pleasure from Noatikl.

BTW, Mixtikl is now on Android too - it is fun reading the reviews - mostly very positive (phew!):
http://www.amazon.com/Mixtikl-Generativ ... ewpoints=1

Best wishes,

Pete

P.S. I hope the cellphone survived!

[pckvr]

I just found this book, where the back page lists a lot of references on Generative Music...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0415966 ... 0415966752

Have fun!

Pete

[munchkin]

I saw it advertised and tried the demo in Reaper. It's completely beyond me tbh. I managed to change synth sounds but couldn't control the sound it makes at all. Just a lot of random noises strung together. There don't seem to be any presets with the demo that show off what it can do either. The website has a lot of information but it doesn't seem to be laid out in a clear way. It's a good priced sound generation app but it's too mind boggling for me to get to grips with. I'd probably end up smashing my laptop before I got anything sensible out of it.

Smashing-up your laptop would be bad

http://www.intermorphic.com/tools/noati ... ral_3.html talks about a phase required to adjust to using Generative Music apps - they certainly don't suit everybody!

Noatikl tutorials page is here:
http://www.intermorphic.com/tools/noati ... al_16.html

A series of videos on Partikl sound design (in Mixtikl, but applies to Noatikl) here:


HTH!

Pete

Thanks for the links. I'll check them out. May I suggest that you have interactive tutorials in the demo.

I think Noatikl's a great idea and it seems to work well with Reaper 4. The price is very good too. I just think it would benefit from a few examples in the demo. Maybe an easier interface like a modular synth where the different components can be moved about and linked up graphically. Pop up explanations about the functions when the mouse hovers over them for example.

It seems quite a learning curve and rather than devote time to learning it I'd probably resort to a few synths and arps to experiment with different sound patterns and sequences.

[pckvr]

Thanks for the links. I'll check them out. May I suggest that you have interactive tutorials in the demo.

We've just added some annotated 'get you started' video tutorials to here:
http://www.intermorphic.com/tools/noati ... al_16.html

I think Noatikl's a great idea and it seems to work well with Reaper 4. The price is very good too. I just think it would benefit from a few examples in the demo. Maybe an easier interface like a modular synth where the different components can be moved about and linked up graphically. Pop up explanations about the functions when the mouse hovers over them for example.

Very useful feedback, thank you!
The synth/effects cells that you see in the main display all represent modular synth/fx networks.. see here for details:
http://www.intermorphic.com/tools/parti ... n_Fxm.html

We also have some written tutorials on using the modular synth:
http://www.intermorphic.com/tools/parti ... rial1.html
http://www.intermorphic.com/tools/parti ... rial2.html

There are also on-line tutorial videos for Partikl (in the context of Mixtikl, but you'll see the same components in Noatikl), by the brilliant Mark Harrop:

It seems quite a learning curve and rather than devote time to learning it I'd probably resort to a few synths and arps to experiment with different sound patterns and sequences.

No problem. Many thanks for your interest and questions!

Best wishes,

Pete

[ghettosynth]

As I mentioned in the other Noatikl 2 thread, the current Mac build should be viewed as a potential alpha - it immediately crashed itself and every host (AU and VST) I tried the demo in on 10.6.8, MB Pro. I didn't even get a glimpse of the GUI.

As you can imagine, I lost interest.

What's the point of premarurelyreleasing something that is obviously a long way from a being a useable, robust product (on the Mac)? It can only lead to bad will and scare away people who might be curious about the concept.

I don't think I'll jeopardise my carefully tweaked Win 7 partition by trying to install it there…

/Joachim

Quite - crashes are what you'd call "non-ideal" but of course they come-up in every product that ever gets released. The key is how they get responded to - so it'd be great if you could send-in a crash log.

Noatikl 2 has been work-in-progress since last year, and we've certainly not rushed it out

Off the top of my head, I'd speculate that there something about your audio / MIDI device environment that is tripping it up, that sort of thing can certainly happen, and it'd be tremendous to track down whatever it is that is causing your problem.

Best wishes,

Pete

So, as far as non-ideal behavior goes, I downloaded the demo. In Reaper it locks up hard if you attempt to add a voice while the host is playing. More important to me though is that the midi timing seems very sloppy coming out of the VST. The timing is reasonable for percussive parts inside noatikl, but, you can clearly hear issues when driving an external drum sampler (batter).

I don't think that this would matter much for ambient pieces, but it's quite noticeable for anything really tight.

[spidergod]

I use noatikl quite alot

I find it a fantastic piece of software to use (I am using it on windows) and is quite easy to setup via midi yoke.

Here are some pieces created with noatikl (not in any particular order) :

http://soundcloud.com/spidergod/grotbags-and-the-catnip


http://soundcloud.com/spidergod/eldritc ... ine-part-2

http://soundcloud.com/spidergod/dubstep ... ck-in-july

http://soundcloud.com/spidergod/paranoi ... room-field

http://soundcloud.com/spidergod/nice-ar ... tro-techno

I think noatikl has helped me with more musical ideas than any other piece of software.

Also support and advice on the intermorphic forum is good and spot on and friendly.

[spidergod]

Also all ep's and albums on my bandcamp site were created using noatikl to control and create alot of the sounds.

The intermorphic forum is a great place to get ideas and help.

[spidergod]

Just to say the dubstep example posted - 2 samples were used (a drum sample and one of the bass parts), the rest was created using noatikl and camel audios alchemy.

[ghettosynth]

Just to say the dubstep example posted - 2 samples were used (a drum sample and one of the bass parts), the rest was created using noatikl and camel audios alchemy.

You're definitely experiencing much better timing than I am. I tried it with loop-be and the standalone version and it's still quite sloppy. Last that I checked, midi-yoke doesn't run on 64 bit systems, is that still true?

[spidergod]

Just to say the dubstep example posted - 2 samples were used (a drum sample and one of the bass parts), the rest was created using noatikl and camel audios alchemy.

You're definitely experiencing much better timing than I am. I tried it with loop-be and the standalone version and it's still quite sloppy. Last that I checked, midi-yoke doesn't run on 64 bit systems, is that still true?

Never had any problems with timing nor midi yoke working on windows 7 64 bit home edition.

You do need to turn off the UAC to install it though, it then works fine.

I did try loop-be a while back and had quite a few problems with it myself, so have stayed with midi-yoke since.

[ghettosynth]

Just to say the dubstep example posted - 2 samples were used (a drum sample and one of the bass parts), the rest was created using noatikl and camel audios alchemy.

You're definitely experiencing much better timing than I am. I tried it with loop-be and the standalone version and it's still quite sloppy. Last that I checked, midi-yoke doesn't run on 64 bit systems, is that still true?

Never had any problems with timing nor midi yoke working on windows 7 64 bit home edition.

You do need to turn off the UAC to install it though, it then works fine.

I did try loop-be a while back and had quite a few problems with it myself, so have stayed with midi-yoke since.

Good to know. I was working off of old information. I've never actually tried to install midi-yoke on my Win 7 machine, I purchased loop-be when midi yoke wouldn't install on my Vista machine. At the time, there were not clear instructions for getting it to work and it wouldn't install for me.

I have other reasons to have a tight virtual midi port, so I'll explore that, however, it doesn't really explain the sloppiness as a VST.

Have you tried it as a VST?

[spidergod]

Good to know. I was working off of old information. I've never actually tried to install midi-yoke on my Win 7 machine, I purchased loop-be when midi yoke wouldn't install on my Vista machine. At the time, there were not clear instructions for getting it to work and it wouldn't install for me.

I have other reasons to have a tight virtual midi port, so I'll explore that, however, it doesn't really explain the sloppiness as a VST.

Have you tried it as a VST?[/quote]

I only use the vst version.

[ghettosynth]

Good to know. I was working off of old information. I've never actually tried to install midi-yoke on my Win 7 machine, I purchased loop-be when midi yoke wouldn't install on my Vista machine. At the time, there were not clear instructions for getting it to work and it wouldn't install for me.

I have other reasons to have a tight virtual midi port, so I'll explore that, however, it doesn't really explain the sloppiness as a VST.

Have you tried it as a VST?

I only use the vst version.

If you only use the VST version, then why do you need a virtual midi port?

[spidergod]

Good to know. I was working off of old information. I've never actually tried to install midi-yoke on my Win 7 machine, I purchased loop-be when midi yoke wouldn't install on my Vista machine. At the time, there were not clear instructions for getting it to work and it wouldn't install for me.

I have other reasons to have a tight virtual midi port, so I'll explore that, however, it doesn't really explain the sloppiness as a VST.

Have you tried it as a VST?

I only use the vst version.

If you only use the VST version, then why do you need a virtual midi port?

From what I gather not all DAWS support vst to vst midi routing so you need to use a virtual midi cable.

I know ableton needs midi yoke as does reaper. Synapse Audio Orion does not need a virtual midi cable. I think fl studio needs one setup.

Have not tried any other DAWS.