KVR Audio

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:59 am

v1o wrote: No I think the Ti2 has newer and faster DSP chips than the Blofeld. It came out well after the Blofeld. Access keep the tech up to date with pretty regular updates to the software and newer hardware every few years.

Wrong. TI was released in 2006 and first versions were available earlier.
Blofeld was first shown at 2007 Winter NAMM show. If you talk about the TI2 the DSPs are newer of course.
Of course the Motorola DSPs of the TI are faster but what the Blofeld with it's tiny Freescale DSP is able to do is really remarkable.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:01 am

Finally i found a Waldorf video from NAMM with a few pictures of a real Pulse 2 (On top of one of the Zarenbourg Pianos, the one on the Blofeld keyboard is a black Blofeld desktop):

At this video the Pulse 2 was not connected so i don't know how far it already worked.
Release should be in Summer 2012 so this means around 6-7 months to go. Hopefully they will have a working version at this years Musikmesse in March.

UPDATE:
That video is also at the Waldorf website now:
http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/home.html

Ingo

filter303 · Post by **filter303** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:17 am

What? We need to wait six months for this?

This is torture

At least I can use the time to save some money for it

It's cool that it can store more programs than Pulse1.

Can anyone explain me what does the XOR osc mode mean?

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:45 am

Ingonator wrote:
v1o wrote: No I think the Ti2 has newer and faster DSP chips than the Blofeld. It came out well after the Blofeld. Access keep the tech up to date with pretty regular updates to the software and newer hardware every few years.
Wrong. TI was released in 2006 and first versions were available earlier.
Blofeld was first shown at 2007 Winter NAMM show. If you talk about the TI2 the DSPs are newer of course.
Of course the Motorola DSPs of the TI are faster but what the Blofeld with it's tiny Freescale DSP is able to do is really remarkable.

Ingo

It's a fact. The Ti2 came out in 2009 after the Blofeld. Which ever way you look at it.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:32 am

Ashe37 · Post by **Ashe37** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:51 am

Freescale IS Motorola's DSP division...so technically, you'll be able to tell when Access is buying new DSPs because they will say Freescale instead of Motorola.

EnricoGaruda · Post by **EnricoGaruda** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:52 pm

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes!!!

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:20 pm

Ingonator wrote:
v1o wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
v1o wrote: No I think the Ti2 has newer and faster DSP chips than the Blofeld. It came out well after the Blofeld. Access keep the tech up to date with pretty regular updates to the software and newer hardware every few years.
Wrong. TI was released in 2006 and first versions were available earlier.
Blofeld was first shown at 2007 Winter NAMM show. If you talk about the TI2 the DSPs are newer of course.
Of course the Motorola DSPs of the TI are faster but what the Blofeld with it's tiny Freescale DSP is able to do is really remarkable.

Ingo
It's a fact. The Ti2 came out in 2009 after the Blofeld. Which ever way you look at it.
If you read my last post carefully you'll see that i talked about the TI and not the TI2 (i even mentioned that the TI2 is newer of course...). Anyway the DSPs of the TI2 are around 25% faster which is not such a big improvement based on the fact that the first test versions of the TI were already available around 2005. This is also the only real difference to the "original" TI (the new OS works on all TI versions). I guess i got my TI desktop around February 2006. AFAIK it should have been released in 2005 but it took ages until they finally were able to sell it.

If you don't believe here is a test of the TI from December 2005 (soor, it's German):
http://www.amazona.de/index.php?page=26 ... cle_id=295

The total integration stuff was still very buggy at that time and advanced features like formant synthesis and granular synthesis were not implemented at that time (with OS 1.07).

Anyway i hope this is enough explanation for now as this thread is about the Pulse 2...

Ingo

If you read my post carefully (the one which you quoted), you will see I was talking about the Ti2 which came out in 2009. Also the difference here is that Access don't break backwards compatibility. Access have kept adding new features, which traditionally with hardware synths would have meant a new product. The Virus of today has more features than when it came out in 1995. These features require more DSP, which is why you run out of voices quicker on an original Ti than the Ti2.

As an analogy just because UAD Solo can run the latest UAD plugins, doesn't mean there is no real difference with a UAD Quad. There is a measurable difference in performance.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:15 pm

mbncp · Post by **mbncp** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:46 pm

Sounds interesting but really not too crazy about the interface, the matrix model can be ok for editing but for performing it's not all that great.

At least there should be some user mode where all 6 knobs could be configurated the way we like, actually 2-3 extra buttons for 2-3 user setups, 1 or 2 global and 1 that is patch specific, with some display about the functions on the LCD.

Acrobat · Post by **Acrobat** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:34 pm

JimmiG wrote:For sure it's analog. This is what a digital synth looks like inside:
http://midibox.org/forums/topic/10797-i ... omparison/

Oh my God, those pictures are ... how can I say ... like nudity on the fifth avenue?

Ashe37 · Post by **Ashe37** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:26 pm

Ingonator wrote:the Virus TI (or TI2 if you like...) needs two much bigger and expensive DSPs.

Blofeld DSP is Freescale DSP56371, $42

Original Ti is 56367, $18.50

Could not find the precise DSP model for the Ti 2 but i doubt its that much more expensive.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:36 am

Ashe37 wrote:
Ingonator wrote:the Virus TI (or TI2 if you like...) needs two much bigger and expensive DSPs.
Blofeld DSP is Freescale DSP56371, $42

Original Ti is 56367, $18.50

Could not find the precise DSP model for the Ti 2 but i doubt its that much more expensive.

OK, then. I did not want to start an endless discussion anyway.

I have also deleted my last post as it's not really important for this thread anyway.

Ingo

filter303 · Post by **filter303** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:14 am

KVR is so weird sometimes

Does anyone know what that XOR osc mode could possibly mean?
Is it somekind of ring mod or what?

I am really interested knowing this.

I know nobody has this synth yet but at least we can speculate, right?

Ashe37 · Post by **Ashe37** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:06 am

filter303 wrote: KVR is so weird sometimes

Does anyone know what that XOR osc mode could possibly mean?
Is it somekind of ring mod or what?

I am really interested knowing this.

I know nobody has this synth yet but at least we can speculate, right?

Sounds like cross modulation.

Waldorf announces "Pulse 2" Analog monosynth (pictures from Musikmesse 2012 added)