Amplitube 3 -- a RAM hog like its predecessors?

[Kontrast13]

Just one final Q:
If I buy the recent deal with AT3, are all mics covered that were available so far? Or is there any missing?

I think there are some that are part of the Fender pack that wouldn't be included... and two (?) that came out at the same time as the Anger/Jet City amps that are CS only.

https://docs.google.com/a/lambda.nu/spr ... utput=html

This is a pretty good list to know what is where... it' just missing the new Slash stuff I believe.

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On another note, this whole 'loads of incomplete presets' thing makes me laugh, when there's specifically presets for the Free version... It's like you can't see how the presets are organized. Back when I tried 'free', I never had that issue because I had the "insight" to know that the 'free' section covers stuff that's part of the free version.

All these "issues" I hear sound so damn silly because they don't really exist, it's just someone looking for any reason to bitch. If you want help documentation, look in the install folder... there are a handful of manuals for each product.

This is how all these complaints feel to me... Oh I'm soooo mad I can't plug my power source into the headphone jack! This product sucks!

What the hell is wrong with you people? I never knew it was this hard to actually do something. I must be a rare breed
Yes, I'm being mean, but honestly... what do you expect? A kick in the ass is the best medicine for someone who gets high on excuses~

What do I know though, this whole music thing is entirely over my head and I'm a total idiot about all of it.

[jacqueslacouth]

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[Kontrast13]

Man, I hope you're not really as angry as you seem, it's ok bro, let the negativity and rage go. I know it's what people do these days on forums but it is really not worth it, we're all different and we're all allowed to be…in everything we do.

I'm off to listen to some Neil Daimond

Nah, no anger or rage at all. Just one of those incredulous "you gotta be kidding me" moments where it's so ridiculous that you have to laugh and say something~ It's these moments that give life it's meaning after practicing some delicate songs on the piano for a good 2 hours... and then jumping onto the guitar to rock I just think about how hard I have to work on even the little things and figure that everybody must be better than me, so any excuse I hear is so silly, haha~

[lingyai]

On another note, this whole 'loads of incomplete presets' thing makes me laugh, when there's specifically presets for the Free version... It's like you can't see how the presets are organized. Back when I tried 'free', I never had that issue because I had the "insight" to know that the 'free' section covers stuff that's part of the free version.

All these "issues" I hear sound so damn silly because they don't really exist, it's just someone looking for any reason to bitch. If you want help documentation, look in the install folder... there are a handful of manuals for each product.

This is how all these complaints feel to me... Oh I'm soooo mad I can't plug my power source into the headphone jack! This product sucks!

What the hell is wrong with you people? I never knew it was this hard to actually do something. I must be a rare breed
Yes, I'm being mean, but honestly... what do you expect? A kick in the ass is the best medicine for someone who gets high on excuses~

What do I know though, this whole music thing is entirely over my head and I'm a total idiot about all of it.

I really don't want to rumble with you, but it seems you are ignoring / distorting some things in order to have a little rant.

The fact that I mentioned the presets for the free version shows I know where they are, thanks.

Having a "?" button on the GUI -- which pretty much universally means "click here for help" -- which instead actually takes you to a shop is what I find silly, as well as off-putting. Not saying I want you to agree; but comparing not liking this to trying to plug a power chord into a headphone jack is just ludicrous.

Consulting manuals and / or entering the shop would still lead me to the answer that if I want to hear the many incomplete presets, I could download a bunch of individual modules for two days. If you think that's fine, rock on. In contrast, other vendors make life a lot easier, which I prefer. Why should this bother you?

Maybe you should save the "ass kicking" for when you have a leg to stand on.

Anyway, I started this thread with a basic question about RAM usage, and have gotten my answers, so if it would help you to have the last word, feel free.

[lingyai]

I'm off to listen to some Neil Daimond

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Thanks for the info & advice.

I've downloaded the AT3 demo.. but after reading about the issues regarding the built-in shop and additional issues it has with Studio One 2, the DAW I'll be using (crashing, no un-installer, etc..), I'm not sure I even want to bother installing it.

I may give the S-Gear demo a shot though. It looks really nice.

Don't believe everything you hear about software problems. It runs well without the issues you mention in the host you mention without issue for many. Support can help you if you run into trouble (yes, even if you are running the demo).

Imagine how many people would be running Linux if they believed every problem they've ever heard about Windows or OS X would happen to them.

[Kontrast13]

Seems like Amplitube Free is getting alot of attention, #1 on MusicRadar's Top 27 VSTs of 2012. I wonder what the poll values looked like

[DuX]

I wouldn't know... I still use simulanalog plugins extensively and they use a few hundred KBs of memory... and they sound great. I also did some analysing on them and they turned out great. Actually better than most of the commercial available plugins regarding aliasing. I love them. At times I can almost imagine they're hardware, not just plugins.

If you tend to trust the GUI of a plugin, you've been punked. Use your ears, not eyes. We're not graphical designers.

Nice GUIs have introduced the utter confusion amongst people. Undoubtly, a nice, analog looking like GUI, can trick anyone into hearing it differently.

[ObiWonder]

Seems like Amplitube Free is getting alot of attention, #1 on MusicRadar's Top 27 VSTs of 2012. I wonder what the poll values looked like

With good reason, AmpliTube 3 FREE offers a TON for free. Anyone wanting to dabble with recording guitar or bass can get by fine for free.

Also the AmpliTube manual is installed in the AmpliTube folder for any questions you may have. The question mark inside AmpliTube does direct you to the Custom Shop for online help. Though we will forward this to our development team to look at for future releases.

[glokraw]

Imagine how many people would be running Linux if they believed every problem they've ever heard about Windows or OS X would happen to them.

Now, imagine how many people would be running Linux if the various
distributions were managed like Operating Systems, rather than
competing cults.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Imagine how many people would be running Linux if they believed every problem they've ever heard about Windows or OS X would happen to them.

Now, imagine how many people would be running Linux if the various
distributions were managed like Operating Systems, rather than
competing cults.

True. From my sysadmin days, I know this exists even in corporate environments! I mean, I really don't like working with some flavors of Unix and I can even admit I truly hate a couple of them but I never understood raising it to the level of some religious war. For those that care, those two would be FreeBSD and AIX. Considering the superb process management of many Linux/Unix variant, I'd think the music world would have caught on. Having worked with embedded systems as well, I think there would be a great deal of value there too. Alas, the closest we get for music production is a GUI and some other niceties laid atop a BSD system

[Hink]

Seems like Amplitube Free is getting alot of attention, #1 on MusicRadar's Top 27 VSTs of 2012. I wonder what the poll values looked like

With good reason, AmpliTube 3 FREE offers a TON for free. Anyone wanting to dabble with recording guitar or bass can get by fine for free.

Also the AmpliTube manual is installed in the AmpliTube folder for any questions you may have. The question mark inside AmpliTube does direct you to the Custom Shop for online help. Though we will forward this to our development team to look at for future releases.

free software is bad news, it cheats you of worrying about so many things you just do not get the entire experience. You don't have to ask your wife, you dont get buyer's remorse, you do not have to worry about protection schemes, you do not have to worry about selling it and you'll never regret not using it if you put it aside. Face it, free software is for the faint of heart...it's like skydiving with a huge safety net...where's the thrill?

[glokraw]

Imagine how many people would be running Linux if they believed every problem they've ever heard about Windows or OS X would happen to them.

Now, imagine how many people would be running Linux if the various
distributions were managed like Operating Systems, rather than
competing cults.

True. From my sysadmin days, I know this exists even in corporate environments! I mean, I really don't like working with some flavors of Unix and I can even admit I truly hate a couple of them but I never understood raising it to the level of some religious war. For those that care, those two would be FreeBSD and AIX. Considering the superb process management of many Linux/Unix variant, I'd think the music world would have caught on. Having worked with embedded systems as well, I think there would be a great deal of value there too. Alas, the closest we get for music production is a GUI and some other niceties laid atop a BSD system

Gotta love that bio. You hide your secret personna well. At the day job,
he sips corporate martinis, goes over some riffs, trades barbs at KVR,
but at night, he dons the cape and hood of Super Admin
descends deep into the server room, in a secret cavern beneath Monaco,
and rides herd on those evil Berlin hackers trying to crack the Custom Shop.
A tough job, but someone has to do it.

Obik! Another Martini, please, its almost daylight at KVR

[Brian @ IK Multimedia]

IMHO 16gig of ram is serious overkill at this point, I could run 32 gig as well but tbh I would consider that being foolish with my money (YMMV). Even adding 8 gig for 16 gig would yield very little gain for the cost if any

Really depends on what you're doing, imagine if I were running a huge orchestral library with enough samples to seriously eat up that RAM and it can become clearer pretty quickly where it all goes. The real thing to be careful about is less the extravagance of a 16GB setup - with DIMMs as affordable as they are, that's not so much at all, depending of course on financial circumstances - but rather to make sure that one isn't getting rooked by purchasing unnecessarily fast RAM. Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge processors both more or less top out at 1333MHz RAM, 9-9-9-24 and even 2T is just fine. You can pay a lot of money to get very fast RAM but the efficiency of the integrated memory controllers and the pathway from the disc (or, in my case, NAND flash) to the execution pathway is unparalleled in previous processors.

AMD's processors show more scaling, but not superior scaling... Bulldozer was, unfortunately, a flop that deserves the title "of epic proportions," with the whole company withdrawing from high-performance competition and leaving Intel with a virtual monopoly on high-end desktop and server processors. And their architecture benefits as little as 6% going from 1333MHz DDR3 to 1800MHz+ DDR3, and that only in highly sequential operations (long compression/decompression operations - so if you do a lot of video encoding, maybe the price difference works out to a real world performance difference, or if you routinely extract large compressed files). For other uses, there's pretty much no difference between the fast expensive stuff and the run of the mill commodity stuff. More a question of getting RAM that'll fit under your heat sink; at 1.5V and lower, the gigantic peacock-plumage of some RAM companies is just a bad joke that prevents clearance with modern affordable and high performance air coolers.

Anyway, it's a little academic for that gent, who is using XP 32-bit... It won't see more than 4GB, it won't let the user allocate more than a portion of what it sees (keeping about .75GB or so to itself for operating system stuff). So I can understand why he would want to have the most efficient memory utilization possible.

I really might upgrade to 32GB, though, I've been looking into some large sample libraries and it would be a good supplement to the rather substantial amount of SSD space I've got on my computer (up to three SSDs now, the technology is practically addictive, totally unleashes the processor to run like it can run - no waiting for random reads or loading times, just the quickest possible pathway from storage to execution, and the most telling difference in computing advancements at the user experience level since the introduction of the first dual core desktop chips back in 2003).

I do agree for most purposes 8GB is probably more than enough, and 16GB thus double overkill, 32GB quadruple overkill. No argument there. Certainly useless on a 32-bit system.

This post was so good I just had to quote the whole thing!
I concur on all of it. I LOL'd at the RAM plumage! That's so true!

Also, speaking of AMD bailing out and leaving Intel with a veritable monopoly in the high-end market, this has had a real world impact (for the worse.) Notice those long promised 8-core desktop processors still haven't materialized? There's your reason. Without any competition breathing down Intel's neck, there isn't any rush for them to go there now (especially in an economy that has seen a slow down in high-end computer sales, meaning there still isn't yet market saturation for 6-core processors). But it gets worse - their 6 core Sandy Bridge-E (Extreme Edition) processors actually have 8 cores on them - with 2 of the cores DISABLED! The technology is there, they're just holding it back in order to extend the 6-core lifecycle.

On a final note, don't forget that on a 32-bit system, 2^32 is the MAXIMUM number of unique physical addresses available (which comes out to 4GB). And all hardware needs an address if it is to receive data, just like mail. So what happens is all hardware gets first priority for addresses, and RAM gets whatever is left over. Which is why at the very best you will only see about 3GB of your RAM in 32-bit. Though 32-bit software running on a 64-bit OS is run in an emulation layer which has its own sandboxed 4GB of virtual addresses. So this means at least your 32-bit software will actually have a full 4GB to use when running on 64-bit Windows, provided you have the RAM to spare.