So, what would be the ideal specs for a tablet suitable to you? And another question to you all? Does a battery time of arounf fiver hours be enough for a tablet/laptop or does it make impossible to work with it. I've been readiong several critics, and one of the points that rises all the time is the battery time. However, more than five hours for me seems OK. What do you all think?Gonga wrote:I agree, I meant it was the most advanced tablet screen.monsterism wrote:I'ma designer and its why I'm interested in the pro, already have a 10.1 note but have to check the stylus out on the pro. I really doubt its the most advanced, the cintiq still holds that crown but I hear it utilises the same tech as the 10.1 note but with a different name because how the screen is produced.
I'm not a fanboi of Windows 8 by any means, I have a love/hate relationship with my two Win8 machines, and especially my Logitech wireless touchpad, which should be a great way to have Win8 on ur machine but is just too imprecise...
If anyone is considering Win8, I recommend a quality touchscreen, or at least a very large, quality Synaptics touchpad.
I like the Surface Pro, but though it's one of the most powerful tablets, it's still underpowered by my standards. It doesn't have enough ports either (no HDMI)!
Surface Pro was presented physically at CES. Comments, anyone?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 11162 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Fernando (FMR)
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- KVRAF
- 2083 posts since 28 Feb, 2011
Good point...battery is important and with the powerful processor Surface has people are speculating it won't be great on run time.
Well for a tablet people don't expect a lot of connectivity nor power - it's something to travel with to communicate and surf the net with. But the Surface tries to bridge over to productivity / content creation so you expect more power and connectivity.
I don't own a tablet. My newest puter is a cheap, powerful laptop that cost the same as a high-end tablet but is more powerful and better connected with 5 hour battery life. Just no touch-screen.
I'm thinking of getting the Surface for my wife's birthday.
Well for a tablet people don't expect a lot of connectivity nor power - it's something to travel with to communicate and surf the net with. But the Surface tries to bridge over to productivity / content creation so you expect more power and connectivity.
I don't own a tablet. My newest puter is a cheap, powerful laptop that cost the same as a high-end tablet but is more powerful and better connected with 5 hour battery life. Just no touch-screen.
I'm thinking of getting the Surface for my wife's birthday.
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- KVRist
- 279 posts since 18 Oct, 2011
Disagree.Gonga wrote:!...(a tablet) it's something to travel with to communicate and surf the net with. But the Surface tries to bridge over to productivity / content creation...
iPads are tools for productivity and content creation too, as well as communicate.
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- KVRian
- 867 posts since 26 Jul, 2009
the advantage of surface pro is in terms of total integration betweeen your desktop and tablet....so u can seamlessly carry on working on a project.
you can use the same sequencer both on your desktop and tablet . it's the same operating system.
moreover it runs an i5 ivy brdige....so it has plenty of power to run even the most demanding plugins.
the only thing that sucks is battery power (only 4 hours is fail) and also the fact windows developers are still not releasing tablet friendly versions of their sequencers and plugins. hopefully they will. and when they do i'll buy a surface pro for sure.
if any of the top sequencers release a tablet friendly version of their sequencers.....that will kill the i-bullshit for good.
imagine if reaper relased a version with a surface/tablet friendly interface...
then what would u need an ipad for?
you can use the same sequencer both on your desktop and tablet . it's the same operating system.
moreover it runs an i5 ivy brdige....so it has plenty of power to run even the most demanding plugins.
the only thing that sucks is battery power (only 4 hours is fail) and also the fact windows developers are still not releasing tablet friendly versions of their sequencers and plugins. hopefully they will. and when they do i'll buy a surface pro for sure.
if any of the top sequencers release a tablet friendly version of their sequencers.....that will kill the i-bullshit for good.
imagine if reaper relased a version with a surface/tablet friendly interface...
then what would u need an ipad for?
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- KVRian
- 538 posts since 23 Jan, 2008 from Hamburg, Germany
But there is much more than just some changes in the UI needed. Foremost we need a change of direction in politics and a change of mind in terms of user friendliness.
Currently many plugins and DAWs rely heavily on restrictive and invasive copy protection schemes likes C/R, dongles and even hidden rootkits. Many commercial plugins allow only a very limited amount of installations and it's not allowed to run more than one instance at the same time on different devices etc (you know, all these problems that only legal users have).
All this doesn't fit very well into the modern ideas of total integration, working in the cloud and so on.
And being forced to carry around powered USBs and things like that just because the software requires some kind of external copy protection device is just the opposite of what I'd call a 'mobile studio'.
Currently many plugins and DAWs rely heavily on restrictive and invasive copy protection schemes likes C/R, dongles and even hidden rootkits. Many commercial plugins allow only a very limited amount of installations and it's not allowed to run more than one instance at the same time on different devices etc (you know, all these problems that only legal users have).
All this doesn't fit very well into the modern ideas of total integration, working in the cloud and so on.
And being forced to carry around powered USBs and things like that just because the software requires some kind of external copy protection device is just the opposite of what I'd call a 'mobile studio'.
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- KVRian
- 1122 posts since 12 Mar, 2005
Right, because there's only room for one tablet device on the market, and everything else must perish a painful death. Because that works so well for every industry.olikana wrote:the advantage of surface pro is in terms of total integration betweeen your desktop and tablet....so u can seamlessly carry on working on a project.
you can use the same sequencer both on your desktop and tablet . it's the same operating system.
moreover it runs an i5 ivy brdige....so it has plenty of power to run even the most demanding plugins.
the only thing that sucks is battery power (only 4 hours is fail) and also the fact windows developers are still not releasing tablet friendly versions of their sequencers and plugins. hopefully they will. and when they do i'll buy a surface pro for sure.
if any of the top sequencers release a tablet friendly version of their sequencers.....that will kill the i-bullshit for good.
imagine if reaper relased a version with a surface/tablet friendly interface...
then what would u need an ipad for?
We'll have to see, because right now using a DAW app (specifically Reaper and S1) completely sucks on a tablet.
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- KVRAF
- 16977 posts since 23 Jun, 2010 from north of London ON
iPad as radical other...booga booga.... 
Barry
If a billion people believe a stupid thing it is still a stupid thing
If a billion people believe a stupid thing it is still a stupid thing
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- KVRist
- 498 posts since 6 Feb, 2010
I think it is important to prevent monopoly and vendor lock-in and support alternative solutions. Otherwise Apple owns us all and can milk all the money of us in so many unethical ways (as they have shown and done before). Of course Microsoft would probably do the same things (as it has done so many times), so from the perspective of the consumer it is best that there is a few competing solutions.George wrote: iOS ecosystem and 3rd party hardware is huge right now. They're stable, got tons of really good touch music apps and much cheaper than Surface Pro. Why spent 3x more (compared to iPad mini) to get half battery, inferior screen, 16 GB sized Win OS? No, thanks.
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- KVRist
- 152 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from Taylorsville, KY
They are:olikana wrote:windows developers are still not releasing tablet friendly versions of their sequencers and plugins. hopefully they will.
http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/ ... +SONAR+all
This is the first I've seen, but I expect there to be lots of software, like Sonar, converted to be touch-enabled. I don't know about the Surface specifically, but I think Windows tablets are going to give iPads a run for their money. It's easier for a company with a Windows product to modify it to work on a tablet than to port the program to run on iOS. Someone had a KVR thread recently wanting Sylenth for iPad. If I wanted Sylenth to run on a tablet device, I'd get a Surface before I'd hold my breath and see what LennarDigital does.
Roy
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- KVRAF
- 5575 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
ThinkPad Tablet 2 = 10 hours battery Windows 8 Pro and soon coming at 64bit.
Problem solved.
I personally think Apple innovation edge is over and so the Evangelists.
Problem solved.
I personally think Apple innovation edge is over and so the Evangelists.
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- KVRAF
- 2083 posts since 28 Feb, 2011
And SONAR uses just serial number for authorization, and you can install on multiple machines...SONAR deserves some love actually right about now
Yes, the Surface is much more powerful than iPad, has much more connectivity and a more advanced touchscreen for doing work (just lower res so not as good for watching movies) and Windows 8 is fast and boots in less than 15 seconds...I totally agree that Windows 9 will be a huge success
Yes, the Surface is much more powerful than iPad, has much more connectivity and a more advanced touchscreen for doing work (just lower res so not as good for watching movies) and Windows 8 is fast and boots in less than 15 seconds...I totally agree that Windows 9 will be a huge success
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- KVRAF
- 2236 posts since 25 Dec, 2005
i5 running 4 hours on battery?,now that's great! 
really,people should know that the evolution of effective accumulators takes much longer than the evolution of effective cpu's.
i would say it will take 4-5 years from now on to work with a daw using around 80% cpu usage for more than 4 hours on battery.
i mean in comparison to a desktop.
so accumulators are the weak point.
of course you can use your tablet for many hours if energy saving is enabled to surf the internet,playing your apps and checking your e-mail,like
i can do that with my 300 bugs asus netbook from 2010 including connecting a high quality audio interface for recording.
using more cpu simply drains the battery more,you can't compete with physics.
is there a hype?
nope!
really,people should know that the evolution of effective accumulators takes much longer than the evolution of effective cpu's.
i would say it will take 4-5 years from now on to work with a daw using around 80% cpu usage for more than 4 hours on battery.
i mean in comparison to a desktop.
so accumulators are the weak point.
of course you can use your tablet for many hours if energy saving is enabled to surf the internet,playing your apps and checking your e-mail,like
i can do that with my 300 bugs asus netbook from 2010 including connecting a high quality audio interface for recording.
using more cpu simply drains the battery more,you can't compete with physics.
is there a hype?
nope!
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- KVRist
- 138 posts since 24 Oct, 2012 from berlin
Sonar might be a good start but it looks more like marketing bla than really optimized for touch surfaces.I see a LOT of supertiny buttons,faders etc.Compareble to the size of the rebirth UI on ipad (that's quite unusable for my taste).And thats on a bigger screen,what about smaller tablets?You know,the ones you don't need an extra suitcase for the transport 