Things I hate about... - Cubase 7

[Compyfox]

I seriously hope that the Borgz take the feedback - well, serious. Else I simply can't use the MixConsole for... mixing.

It's just a huge showstopper for me, it's not even funny.

I don't care about much of the rest. But the MixConsole NEEDS an overhaul, or at least features that were there in C6. And this counts to the "full screen" mixer as well. So don't blame it on dual/tripple screen users. Those are the peeps that use that thing the most!


But I'm obviously at the wrong place for that.

[LawrenceF]

Then two or three people (same people always) are in the you guys are a bunch of cry baby's ... cubase is perfect and you are all losers.

[fandango]

My Cubase fanboism was tainted this fair eve when I realised that it is still not possible to create a pitch-bend envelope on the track view.

And yet... you can do it via Note Expression on the group of notes seperately.

<insert sledgehammer/walnut metaphor here>

Does not compute.

[AstralExistence]

this thread kicks ass compyfox. when i posted about the exact same thing, crashes, spiking, stability, i actually created like three v7 complaint threads, came from v6 elements which is awesome and rock solid. i got stomped on by the kvr cubase fanbois who claim that cubase doesnt crash, its your pc, you don't have enough ram, barely meet the system requirements basically a bunch of garbage bull shit.

reason i got stomped on was because im a fairly new kvr member and not part of the uber fantastic 8000 post club. so, "i was not to be taken seriously" because i dont waste my life away on kvr. so when you, a very established member like yourself complains about the same thing its takes flight and must be noticed. and for that, im very happy you have not only confirmed what i said to be true, but that like i said, "and got stomped in" cubase 7 feels like using beta software. agreed and now ill say it with your 8000 post status, CUBASE 7 SUCKS.

[Amon1973]

Each and every piece of software has bugs, some will never manifest, some will under particular circumstances - those manifesting on a larger number of configurations will be easier to spot and solve.
I have Cubase 7 installed on 4 systems and it runs perfectly fine. The number of post on KVR can hardly be a proof to any kind of higher truth.

Crashes on audio systems can be caused by a variety of reasons: plug-ins, other software installed, hardware configuration and so on. And this bears no relation to how good you are at configuring a computer. When I installed my personal rig in 2010, I got crashes and initially blamed my host - it turned out to be a DPC issue related to the graphic card that didn't get solved until ATI released an update for the driver and control panel (soon enough, fortunately).

During my work I found crashes to be due to SSL kit, C++ library version, video drivers, audio interfaces, plug-ins, video capture software, graphic editing software... and could go on for a while. If one cannot spot the issue, it could be worth contacting support or a technician who knows where to look.

[AstralExistence]

The number of post on KVR can hardly be a proof to any kind of higher truth.

that's what i was trying to say, however truth be told, that is EXACTLY how it works on message boards. senior posters are always given uber status and taken more seriously then the pesky newer members who don't know jack. because on message boards, while you could be an expert in your field in real life, if your fairly new on the boards or don't post 20 times a day, (and don't forget, bonus points for taking the extra time to post in offtopic!) then you wont be taken nearly as serious because on message boards postcount/seniority equals knowledge and experience. that's just how it is

[jancivil]

i got stomped on by the kvr cubase fanbois who claim that cubase doesnt crash, its your pc, you don't have enough ram, barely meet the system requirements basically a bunch of garbage bull shit.

you know what i think the problem really is?
steinberg being dishonest with the 'real' cubase 7 minimum requirements are

[jancivil]

As I said when I was, along with the other vicious kids here, mercilessly pounding 'AstralExistence', I like to avoid teh early version numbers in Cubase. I couldn't with 5 and it sucked. There are a number of things reported here that would steer me away from 7 per se, let alone the instability which is typical at this stage of a new Cubase number.

[lotus2035]

I open V7 every now and then to check if I really do hate it that much.
2 minutes later I'm back in 6.5.

I'm not happy with Mixcontrol at all. Regardless of the new functions It just doesn't sit well with me and slows down my workflow considerably. The whole issue has me installing demos of other DAWs wondering if I will switch.

It would be an understatement to say that I will never enjoy using this mixer as much as the "old" one. I don't like it's overall "Web 2.0" design, values changing from one thing to another etc. I prefer a static interface just like the old mixer.
And what is the purpose of those little grey boxes that appear around absolutely everything when you mouse over them? They drive me nuts. They have no function whatsoever, they're just a distracting eyesore.

For me it would have been enough that Steinberg upgraded the old mixer by adding some new options like the ability to stack rows and have it full screen and maybe some other minor additions.
Mixcontrol is sluggish to use especially when opening and closing the rack sub-sections. It has this opening/closing animation which not unlike those little grey boxes has no function except for visual effect. When I re-install Windows for whatever reason the first thing I do is switch off all the useless eyecandy, I would like to do the same here. This is supposed to be a professional mixing environment, I don't need to be dazzled with flashy graphics FFS. Keep that crap for Sequel if you want but not your flagship DAW.

6.5 is damn near close to perfection. An updated version of the old mixer and that would have been it. But of course there will be version after version of Cubase because in the end it's a company and money needs to be made, people need to get paid so changes will come whether they are needed or not.

This wouldn't be a problem except for the fact that many companies refuse to update older versions. Otherwise I would be safe in the knowledge that I could stay with 6.5 for a long, long time and not have to worry about the software becoming unusable on newer systems.

I love 6.5 but will I be able to use it in 5 years time? I doubt Steinberg are going to go backwards design-wise so we are stuck with Mixcontrol and its future bastard offspring for many versions to come.
It's entirely possible that Steinberg have killed Cubase for me.

[LawrenceF]

As I said when I was, along with the other vicious kids here, mercilessly pounding 'AstralExistence', I like to avoid teh early version numbers in Cubase. I couldn't with 5 and it sucked. There are a number of things reported here that would steer me away from 7 per se, let alone the instability which is typical at this stage of a new Cubase number.

I don't how well Cubase 7 runs or not or how buggy it may or may not be on my system. I'll grab the demo one day and find out.

What I will never understand (and this has nothing to do with the OP or anyone else here, just in general) why people feel the need rush to the toy store to be the first to own something brand new and then spend a lot their time complaining about it because they spent their money on it and (maybe, in some cases) it's not quite ready for prime time ... when they could very easily just be patient and wait for a demo to see how it works for them.

I don't really understand that... but some people just gotta have the latest new shiny thing right away.

On another front, any software company who has minimal confidence in their product will release demos at the same time they release a new product version... so interested people with no paitence can still try it before buying it.

[fandango]

Lawrence, I'll probably get into trouble for saying this, but I think it's one of the advantages of getting older is that excitement (for pretty much anything in life, really) starts to wear off and you become quite content to wait a little bit with what already works.

In years gone by I would've probably got in early ("pre-orders? is that what the youth call it thesedays?"), and then had a good foot-stomping / hand-waving / screaming tantrum on the forums. But it took me a year after 6.5 came out to bother upgrading and I have no major impulse to upgrade to 7 as 6.5 works fine for my needs. (as did Cubase 4, to be fair...)

[SJ_Digriz]

I don't how well Cubase 7 runs or not or how buggy it may or may not be on my system. I'll grab the demo one day and find out.

It actually is not that buggy. It is very stable for most people as far as I can tell. It runs rock solid for me. I simply don't like the mixer.

What I will never understand (and this has nothing to do with the OP or anyone else here, just in general) why people feel the need rush to the toy store to be the first to own something brand new and then spend a lot their time complaining about it because they spent their money on it and (maybe, in some cases) it's not quite ready for prime time ... when they could very easily just be patient and wait for a demo to see how it works for them.

There are lots of answers to that. I can give you mine.

1) From a NOT pro perspective, I love to mess with new ideas and technologies. For example, the chord track is extremely interesting, if poorly executed. However, I'm not one of those who thinks the new version somehow invalidates my existing version. So, it's not a problem to continue "working". However, early versions is your opportunity to shape patches. Believe it or not, Steinberg does deviate a hair based on initial reactions to their programs. However, once the first few patches hit the ground, that's it ...

2) From a SEMI Pro perspective, I need to make sure I can support as many formats as possible and stay in touch with technologies. Fortunately, as stated above, I enjoy that part of it. However, I would NEVER count on a new version for "paid" work. NEVER. NEVER. NEVER. But, before you can use something for paid work, you have to learn it, test it, understand it. This pretty much mandates getting the versions as they come.

The part I never understand is the "You've destroyed my workflow and I lost all my work". That makes zero sense to me.

[egbert]

Just a query: if a user has a C7 licence but never bought/upgraded to C6/6.5, can they download Cubase 6.5 from the Borg and install it and run it using the dongle/C7 licence?

I seem to recall from threads in the past that a Cubase licence entitles you to run earlier versions BUT I suspect a big stumbling block would be that you probably can't get a full installer for 6.5 that doesn't ask for a DVD from the Borg's FTP - correct?

[LawrenceF]

There are lots of answers to that. I can give you mine.

All that makes sense to me SJ. Thanks.

My only point was that if a person dives in with something brand new and kinda partly "rebuilt", they should do it with their eyes wide open.

What you talked about (your reasoning) is a far different thing from people who pre-order (or buy it on day one totally in the blind) something new and kinda partially rebuilt, get it, maybe have some issues, and then scream to high heaven on a forum about how they got ripped off, they bought a beta, whatever, like somebody forced them to buy it. When they could very easily have just waited for a demo and kept their money in their pocket.

But, like some who will literally spend the night on the sidewalk in front of a store to be first to get the next new iPhone or video game, some people just gotta have the "new shiny thing" first.

But that obviously doesn't apply to you, or your case.

Thanks SJ.

[jancivil]

I like to avoid teh early version numbers in Cubase. I couldn't with 5 and it sucked. There are a number of things reported here that would steer me away from 7 per se, let alone the instability which is typical at this stage of a new Cubase number.

I don't how well Cubase 7 runs or not or how buggy it may or may not be on my system. I'll grab the demo one day and find out.

What I will never understand (and this has nothing to do with the OP or anyone else here, just in general) why people feel the need rush to the toy store to be the first to own something brand new and then spend a lot their time complaining about it because they spent their money on it and (maybe, in some cases) it's not quite ready for prime time ... when they could very easily just be patient and wait for a demo to see how it works for them... but some people just gotta have the latest new shiny thing right away.

there was a couple of new features with 6 that were real attractive to me, note expression, something else I think but no. I was being rhetorical and overstating it, but 5.01 did have a couple major issues and I had my own soundcard driver incompatibility with it. I'm not an early adopter, I need to see a consensus on systems more or less similar to mine to jump in, I don't feel I have time for sorting out issues. I know I'm not interested in a new mixer design in Cubase. I may stick with 5.5.3 and never 'upgrade', it is quite stable and I just make music in it. If I go to an OS that won't work with it I'll cross that bridge then. The excitement of chasing the latest tech isn't all that with me. There are things Steiny has created such as warping the timeline that became absolutely necessary, though.

I expect I would not have the issues of someone with less machine and less experience to be honest.