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[Agathodaimon]

great stuff!! loved all of it.
Well you know one of my favourite band is Adagio, they are also from France, am pretty sure if you manage to get in contact with ether Stephan Forte or Kevin Codfert they would try and help you or at least direct you to write people for a band, give it a shot.
I know the guys we used to chit chat over facebook all the time, when i used to have my account ahhaahaha.

i contacted stephane Forte..well he asks for money...lol

You serious? what about kevin?

yes he made a business of it:
https://www.facebook.com/ListenToMyBand

but i just discovered a place in paris (le centre Barbara) that seems to give same infos he does but for free (and probably know more because that's their job)

Guess i had more respect towards him musically that i adopted respect to his personality, if i had the chance to help for music or musically i wouldn't demand money because of the passion i have towards music, but that just me.
Well i wish you good luck with your search! We are here to support you!

well maybe a musician life is not that easy now a days with the internet so it has become difficult to make a living only from records and live performance and we need to find other possibilities...maybe a lot of people were continusly asking him questions so he naturally told himself "and if i ask money for it?"
There are musicians giving lessons, seminars ect ect well now a days with the world crisis/internet downloading few can afford spending their time for free...and they can't complain to their fans like one can ask to his boss a salary increase
Thank you for your support

Yeah i completely understand that but your situation is not how to manage a band and send demo its more about meeting more musicians init? Like you said you need people to meet who would be interested to help you form your how to say dream band, still asking for money for that is ridiculous.
Anw, your welcome

[L-I-A-R]

yes true....i forgot about it..i'm also looking for a manager but that would be next step ...
but i'm sure i'll find in the end and right in time..that's always the way it works if we don't loose hope
thanks for your help!

[L-I-A-R]

I liked what I heard which is does not happen often. I don't necessarily agree with other posters that you should find a producer, you are doing well by yourself.
What plugin do you use on your own voice?

thanks
I use CLA vocals plugin from waves with a high equalisation because i recorded myself with a sm58

[L-I-A-R]

but in fact in think i won't look for band members yet but for a good sound engineer instead

[Tricky-Loops]

but in fact in think i won't look for band members yet but for a good sound engineer instead

You need a sound engineer who wants to be your manager, too, and plays 5 instruments additionally... Of course he should be able to master and own a studio as big as Abbey Roads... And he should also know how to construct the stage set and make the light show...

[L-I-A-R]

but in fact in think i won't look for band members yet but for a good sound engineer instead

You need a sound engineer who wants to be your manager, too, and plays 5 instruments additionally... Of course he should be able to master and own a studio as big as Abbey Roads... And he should also know how to construct the stage set and make the light show...

this is exactly what i need

[Zombie Queen]

...and plays 5 instruments additionally...

Simultaneously.

[Dunbar]

Great music, I think these demos are 90% there, already. They need very little work. Do not let a "producer" anywhere near your songs, as Tricky-Loops said: all you need is a sound engineer.

My only suggestion is to try recording some songs in French and maybe try a cover version of some '60s classics; like Serge Gainsbourg's "Requiem Pour un Con", or something less well know, like this:

[Tricky-Loops]

Do not let a "producer" anywhere near your songs, as Tricky-Loops said: all you need is a sound engineer.

That wasn't what *I* have said...

In contrary, it's so sad that nowadays everyone wants to make all her-/himself. While in the past there were dozens of people involved in a song (for one Michael Jackson song surely more than 20 people just for production!) - in the age of today there are many individuals who want to "heave" everything alone till they collapse.

I'm such a DIY-person, too, but a song gets better if there is more input from different people... I'm propagandizing a "working together" attitude while doing everything myself...

[Dunbar]

That wasn't what *I* have said...

My apologies, Tricky-loops. My emphasis was intended to rest on your advice to get a sound engineer. In *my* opinion, all L-I-A-R needs is a sound engineer to knock these songs into shape.

[L-I-A-R]

Do not let a "producer" anywhere near your songs, as Tricky-Loops said: all you need is a sound engineer.

That wasn't what *I* have said...

In contrary, it's so sad that nowadays everyone wants to make all her-/himself. While in the past there were dozens of people involved in a song (for one Michael Jackson song surely more than 20 people just for production!) - in the age of today there are many individuals who want to "heave" everything alone till they collapse.

I'm such a DIY-person, too, but a song gets better if there is more input from different people... I'm propagandizing a "working together" attitude while doing everything myself...

I don't want to make everything by myself...
But finding the right people understanding my music and not wanting to change everything to make it fit more to their own personal weird taste is hard these days.(or i'm just unlucky)

And michael jackson was signed on a big label ..i am not so i can't afford 10 people working on my songs....

[L-I-A-R]

That wasn't what *I* have said...

My apologies, Tricky-loops. My emphasis was intended to rest on your advice to get a sound engineer. In *my* opinion, all L-I-A-R needs is a sound engineer to knock these songs into shape.

don't you think i also need a producer (but a good one with lot of experience) to have a "new" ear on my tracks just to be able to correct my beginner mistakes and enhance what needs to be enhanced....
but i don't mean someone to add new arangements..only someone to correct my own arrangements and enhance some stuff (like correct some sounds in my drums, bass sounds to be more "big", work my guitar sound also)...i don't know if its the work of a sound engineer or more of some kind of producer.

[Tricky-Loops]

I don't want to make everything by myself...
But finding the right people understanding my music and not wanting to change everything to make it fit more to their own personal weird taste is hard these days.

That's indeed difficult! I'm currently searching for a nice (female) - preferably German - singer (because I want to make German lyrics, too) for some kind of Electro Punk (similar to a mixture of DAF and Chicks on Speed) but I don't even know where to search...

There are hundreds of boring cover bands around me that play all the same ol' sh...songs of other artists but to find someone special with an extraordinary musical taste is nearly impossible... Especially to find someone who is open for a new musical adventure...

[L-I-A-R]

While in the past there were dozens of people involved in a song (for one Michael Jackson song surely more than 20 people just for production!) - in the age of today there are many individuals who want to "heave" everything alone till they collapse.

Well IMO i think that if many people are individuals now a days it's because it's the only way to survive because of the music industry which as fallen and so has become a piece of crap
you have 2 choices:

-conform to the trend and be signed in a big label with 10 people working on your tracks..but for that you have to be extremely lucky because there are like thousand of girls with a pretty voice too!
and they will probably want you to do "lady gaga's like arrangement, or "bjork like arrangements" or "katty perry's like arrangement' or any kind of stuff that has been proven to work because they hate to try new ideas and just follow the trend to be sure that they won't loose any money

Or:

- fight for your own vision that you know you are the only one to have and so you have no choice than remaining alone because all the others will want you to fit to this stupid useless trend because they do believe that you will get more success if you do and that they could benefit of your success if they involve in it and add their stupid-copied-ideas without-any-soul -and-following-the-stupid-trend in your creation

[Zombie Queen]

don't you think i also need a producer (but a good one with lot of experience) to have a "new" ear on my tracks just to be able to correct my beginner mistakes and enhance what needs to be enhanced....

Sounds like you need someone to mix your tracks and/or to learn to mix from - I would call such person a sound engineer. I don't think you can find a good one who would work for free.

Maybe you should just look for a mixing cooperator, someone with better grips on technical stuff, possibly better listening equipment, who might happen to have sort of a writer block and would like to focus on arrangement. Give him a credit and some creative space and it could work out. I bet you could find many good candidates on this very forum. Maybe post a song to remix and see who's willing to part and if your taste is compatible.