KVR Audio

Halma · Post by **Halma** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:02 am

That LASER mode is awesome. Really great sound out of the box and so easy to tune (dang, that noise adds a completely new timbre). Can sound from Cheesy Disco to Kid Frost "MC Terminator". I like that.

Regards
Sebastian

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:29 pm

serious feedback question (not thread bumping) -

how are you liking the snare1 models?

especially algorithm 7, which uses the harmonics-rich oscillator with the exponential/fast sounding noise envelope.. of course, building it i had a good idea of how it works and ~know the capabilities/range of the algorithm..

..as an end user, there's no easy way to explain how the spectrum is generated, so like much of the architecture, the only way to know it is to use it. i'm kinda thinking that the range of selections is leading to a page-thru where ppl don't really check out what it can do.

i thought it was a pretty keen sorta thing, covering the ground between standard electronic snares and something more realistic. of course, several other drum machines today (eg. extreme drum synth, FL's thingy) now have richer tonal oscillators, which are generally, as in this case, "tonally rich oscillators" and not spectra of circular membranes.

is it easy to use, hard to find a good spectrum you like? does it sound good for your applications, or does it sound "not quite a sample, not quite a classic" - i hear it as applicable for ~lofi hiphop snares. you'll notice the spectrum peaks do change significantly across the range of the tone param. my suggestion is to keep testing the oscillator with no noise and with noise added, to audition it's capability and to appreciate that, without noise it can sound a bit bizzarrely tonal, and a touch of noise can make a very synthetic timbre sound much more acoustic.

Halma · Post by **Halma** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:05 am

xoxos wrote:serious feedback question (not thread bumping) -

how are you liking the snare1 models?

especially algorithm 7, which uses the harmonics-rich oscillator with the

...

is it easy to use, hard to find a good spectrum you like? does it sound good for your applications, or does it sound "not quite a sample, not quite a classic" - i hear it as applicable for ~lofi hiphop snares. you'll notice the spectrum peaks do change significantly across the range of the tone param. my suggestion is to keep testing the oscillator with no noise and with noise added, to audition it's capability and to appreciate that, without noise it can sound a bit bizzarrely tonal, and a touch of noise can make a very synthetic timbre sound much more acoustic.

Snare 4 (model 7) indeed sounds pretty funky for HipHop. Reminds me a lot of 90's Boom Bap style which often used their sampler factory drums layered with own samples (check out SP12 stock sounds). With a little bit of post processing you should match every timbre you are looking for if you are into 90s Rap (still sounds awesome right otb). Btw that thougt came also to my mind when I heard the snare the first time.

Regarding to the osc sound of model 7 does the pitch knob cover 2 octaves? On my analyzer I can see the lowest and most prominent freq @ 180Hz Centre / 90Hz L / 360 Hz R. That freq looks like f1 too me, f0 is more quiet and half of f1.

Somehow I can hear two different sound sources when noise is diabled. Is that your multi hamonic thingy? With the decay parameter I can control the length of one osc while with the hold I can add some punch/knock which sounds like the second osc.

Right now 3a & 4 are my favorites. I like all snares but 3a & 4 deliver the most snap/punch for my music. They sound uber-tight.

I have not come across a situation where I could not match a timbre that I had in mind. It is dead easy to tune your drums to taste. You just need a little bit of time and understand how the different parameters act together.

Regards
Sebastian

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:42 pm

3 & 4 use the same osc alg as kick algs that people mention liking.. it's procedural/doesn't use a phasor. imo it's subtle, but somehow the procedural thing seems to translate well into audio.

the tonal part of 7 is a combination of the "rich" harmonics osc (which generates the "subharmonics") and a sine, which is the 180hz you saw, which is where snares are sometimes tuned to.. ~G2. the hold stage only affects amplitude, so it's a perceptual difference in the timbre.

given the richness of the osc, i find it has different applications giving it a longer decay than the noise, or a shorter one.. it's worked both ways for me.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:00 pm

anyone else, or am i down to one user?

i was under the impression that 64 bit systems could run 32 bit plugs.

spirit · Post by **spirit** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:40 pm

In regard to an earlier question about how to make it more popular (and I'm trying to be constructive here, not insulting!)

1) I can't think of any popular instrument that has such a plain GUI. Maybe this one is incredibly functional, but it's so dull. Get someone to make an alternate GUI then do a blind download comparison somewhere. Beautiful GUIs are important.
2) The name. "Bong" makes me think of some half-stupid stoned hippy. I didn't even read this thread until now because I assumed "Bong" was just some joke product. Hold a contest for a new name.

Armed with a new name and a striking GUI, and bolstered by both a name contest and a patch contest, you can then launch version 2.0 which has the added bonus of appearing to be a mature and popular product.

edited for brevity

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:14 am

thanks for the concise and honest answer

as for the name, it's both fortuitous and brilliant.

see?

edited 909 logo:

the name is actually reminiscent of two classic analog drum machines if you look for it:

yes, i often engage in conflict with people who say things like "i smoke pot but a stoner is a word for a dumb lazy pothead". i don't see any point in perpetuating hollywood stereotypes intended to denigrate and divide society. (well, if you look at it a certain way, c&c's "up in smoke" is, as the title suggests, transcendental. the tutu scene about owning strip malls pointedly so.)

considering how brilliant i am, i'd say sentiments regarding the maturity of a cannabis reference are entirely beneath me and entirely upon the observer, to be constructive and not insulting. i and many other people find nothing debilitating about cannabis use once one surpasses the significant impediment of social distain and punishment. i'd really like you to consider getting over that so you can respect me for who and what i actually am. or, you can go along with hollywood. es no me importa, as i am a fully beyond stupid pothead stoner.

maybe i should put some ponies or something on the gui.

you give it a run then tell me if you think it's a joke, or if the self imposed limitation of your presuppositions is funnier.

evilplazma · Post by **evilplazma** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:34 am

short demo of this in FL Studio

enjoy

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:17 pm

thanks for the demo! if you didn't notice afterwards, the other algorithms are obtainable by dragging the number/text readouts vertically.

spacedad · Post by **spacedad** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:50 pm

+for posting in gaming or other types of forums.
spreading the xoxos word around can only be a good thing.
(i've just had phone/inernet cut off for 3 weeks 'again'>b***ds>,oh and my mum's dying,i'll get to play one day)
good luck,

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:58 pm

evilplazma wrote:short demo of this in FL Studio

enjoy

so you are image line customer Ichigo Hoshimiya?

maybe consider to buy the stuff you use?

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:20 pm

o_O he does own bong now.

ichigo or no, dude took a moment to try out the drums i spent 4 months developing.

spirit · Post by **spirit** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:04 am

xoxos wrote:you give it a run then tell me if you think it's a joke, or if the self imposed limitation of your presuppositions is funnier.

You asked for ideas to improve its customer base and I gave an opinion, be it good or bad. I think you'll find that any product that insists on bundling itself with a 'cause' will immediately restrict its audience. I don't have any problem with that at all, I wish you good fortune!

spacedad · Post by **spacedad** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:32 am

i'd like to see xoxos join tumblr or instagram.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:59 pm

do they have an instaounce?

BONG - now with added cultural redemption