KVR Audio

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:46 am

Well it was just pure speculation on my part probably not true at all, just wondering haha

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:46 am

penguinfromdeep wrote:I wonder if it's based on the jp8000 module in Diva? Maybe you can make the same sound with Diva, or maybe not

I remember, it has been discussed that doing CPU efficient unison thing should be the main point of the Hive synth. Supersaw in Diva is gorgeous, but quite CPU hungry.

Actually, it seems to be another Sylenth killer. Poor Sylenth, it has been almost killed so many times, but it is notably hungry for life.

Kaboom75 · Post by **Kaboom75** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:33 pm

Maybe its DIVA's Jp-8000 but with some modern features added and more saws for us to detune. Imagine if Roland made a sequel to the JP-8000 & 8080 and did it properly what would they make I think it could be that. Mines got more detuned saws than yours.

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:45 pm

Cant wait to find out more about this!

TonyVegas · Post by **TonyVegas** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:32 pm

Aiynzahev wrote:Cant wait to find out more about this!

It's the JP8k part of Diva with a silver synth picture UI... Load up Diva, print out a picture from the Hive video and bingo! You've snuck into Hive Beta!

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:36 pm

Not JP-8000, but very much like the other synth.

Audio demos soon, to see how the super saw holds up.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:39 pm

Nice.

Would be cool to hear some audio demos of the filter behavior, and especially the envelopes too. That's where i feel most of the other plugins struggle, and differ the most.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:40 pm

Also, as of today, 16 voices wit 32 sawtooths + 2 lowpass filters each on my machine:

Hive: 13%
The other synth: 27%

Not sure if it gets any faster. We might however reduce aliasing in the filter a bit (it is already lower than the other synths). This would bring it up to, say, 18%.

fwsuperhero · Post by **fwsuperhero** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:49 pm

If i remember right, "classic" supersaw is so powerfull because it doesnt have any aliasing.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:52 pm

Urs wrote:Also, as of today, 16 voices wit 32 sawtooths + 2 lowpass filters each on my machine:

Hive: 13%
The other synth: 27%

Not sure if it gets any faster. We might however reduce aliasing in the filter a bit (it is already lower than the other synths). This would bring it up to, say, 18%.

If the other synth is the one written by a guy whose name starts with L, I guess this level of optimisation should be fine for everyone.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:58 pm

chk071 wrote:Nice. Would be cool to hear some audio demos of the filter behavior, and especially the envelopes too. That's where i feel most of the other plugins struggle, and differ the most.

Yeah, envelopes, still work in progress on my side.

Hive will however not sound identical. E.g. we're going to scale super saw detune over the keyboard to give higher notes not such a fast beating when the bass sounds good. Therefore, the inevitable A/B comparisons will be controversial.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:59 pm

fwsuperhero wrote:If i remember right, "classic" supersaw is so powerfull because it doesnt have any aliasing.

No, the JP-8000 uses a trick - there's a highpass filter that attenuates the aliasing *below* the fundamental frequency. The aliasing above the fundamental can be quite substantial.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:27 pm

What's the other synth?

xalama qo · Post by **xalama qo** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:31 pm

HIVE - Hereby I Vanquish Everything

I'm glad it's not intended to emulate that other synth, but will have its own idio-syn-crasies.

Flavours, it's all about flavours.

As to why u-he is doing this? Well, apart from the 64bit Mac issues, etc etc, I'm gonna make a huge optimistic guess/assumption/hope that the price will be considerably lower than 'said other synth', and offer humungous bang for buck for the sound quality.... thus selling like hotcakes, creating a legion of new u-he fanbois (welcome in advance, dudes), and making Urs the wealthiest synth dev EVA!!!...except maybe for that other German dude who does that hardware synth...thus enabling him to buy many more vintage synths to emulate and incorporate into Berlin Modular!!!

And thus taking over the world.
Just sayin'...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:35 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:What's the other synth?

It could well be that it is the infamous "that plugin".

Well, recursive one's last post should make it more clear.

I guess it's synth month because U-HE is finishing the new Hive synth