Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership

[gamecat666]

is there any grace period for recently registered x3's?

[whyterabbyt]

So... less testing, then.

No, not necessarily.

Also, if the model is a cycle of developing and adding single features at a time, then it could reduce issues caused by the multiple parallel changes that occur at the 'same time' in traditional release cycles.

[burkek]

It seems like a product that will be in a constant Beta state. If Cakewalk can't even release relatively bug-free point releases up until now, what makes anyone have faith in the company that a product that constantly changes throughout a 12-month subscription would be rock solid? I'm not buying into this subscription model in the same way I don't buy into Waves' annual WUP - and similarly cancelled cable and cell services. Companies are looking for monthly pieces of the pie; stack enough of these and you'll be in the poor house.

KEv

[GeorgeZ]

is there any grace period for recently registered x3's?

That's one of the questions they refuse to answer directly in the CW forum They just kept on banging on about membership blabla bla

EDIT: Edited, really trying to be less negative these days

[juffi]

You're not wrong. I got out after X2. I've got over a grand invested in sonar and the damn thing never did work (except 8.5 which wasn't too bad)

+1

Worst DAW experience ever. I jumped on Cubase 7 and finally finished my 2 Albums in 2 years. Sonar was a huge showstopper.

[jinotsuh]

That's one of the questions they refuse to answer directly in the CW forum They just kept on banging on about membership blabla bla

I call Bullshit

That question has been answered there multiple times, the answer is no. There is quite a bit of misinformation in this thread.

[lfm]

I'm fairly positive to this new policy if it shows a comitment to responsetimes for support.
Since support is now part of a payed subscription it should mean increased resources.

I asked support about this - is there any comitment - and will tell by itself if responsetimes are less than three weeks like 15 months ago when I dropped X3.

I put a feedback report of my products not listed - and they fixed the lot since 10 years back - not bought in their shop.

It's something of a new glow about Cakewalk - someone that wants to improve.
And also the pre-look of what is worked on right now as main features on web is nice - guts to tell this and for what version is unique as I see it. And "just added" is also good on their site.

Nothing much that I need, but still.

X3 were always stable to me, just as I had very few problems with Sonar 4 Studio.

I only had a showstopper using Metaplugin - where Addictive Keys for some reason did not initialize samplerate when a project loaded. Metaplugin overcomes many routing limitations in most daws and is essential part for me. It's basically Reaper and Mixcraft that I feel it's not a must have.

So I reported this Metaplugin issue now and will see if put on todo list - I might jump back at it if there is a comitment on support as well. I have most projects I want to finalize in Sonar, so it simplifies. And officially supported by Waves so that helps too - as their licensing terms.

Mixcraft is my goto though for new projects. So ahead when it comes to workflow. I simply enjoy every moment working with it.

[whyterabbyt]

That's one of the questions they refuse to answer directly in the CW forum They just kept on banging on about membership blabla bla

I call Bullshit

That question has been answered there multiple times, the answer is no.

Yeah, its acually the very first question in the announcement thread, and the reply is two posts later.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/Introducing-t ... 44654.aspx

[gamecat666]

ahh thats a bummer.

cheers guys.

[GeorgeZ]

That's one of the questions they refuse to answer directly in the CW forum They just kept on banging on about membership blabla bla

I call Bullshit

That question has been answered there multiple times, the answer is no.

Yeah, its acually the very first question in the announcement thread, and the reply is two posts later.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/Introducing-t ... 44654.aspx

Well no. My specific question was if I reg X3 Prod after the release of... Sonar 2015?... am I getting X3 or what's the deal (I've not upgraded from X2 yet, but I have an X3 upgrade Lic, which I've not used yet). They were NOT answering that. I asked twice. I'll just leave that and this thread, as I don't need bullshit being called on my statements


EDIT: I will admit, I did read the question here wrong, referring to recently registered, not my query re not reg'd yet x3 serial.

[whyterabbyt]

Well no. My specific question was if I reg X3 Prod after the release of... Sonar 2015?... am I getting X3 or what's the deal

But that is not the question that had been asked in this thread when you said 'That's one of the questions they refuse to answer'. That cant have been about your question, because you never even asked that question in this thread, it was about gamecat666's question....

is there any grace period for recently registered x3's?

That's one of the questions they refuse to answer directly in the CW forum

[winds350]

It seems like a product that will be in a constant Beta state. If Cakewalk can't even release relatively bug-free point releases up until now, what makes anyone have faith in the company that a product that constantly changes throughout a 12-month subscription would be rock solid? I'm not buying into this subscription model in the same way I don't buy into Waves' annual WUP - and similarly cancelled cable and cell services. Companies are looking for monthly pieces of the pie; stack enough of these and you'll be in the poor house.

KEv

Yep. That's been my experience over the years with this approach. U-He has gotten themselves into that state as well. Worst case becomes having to pick which version to use based on which bugs will hurt you most traded off against which feature you can most easily do without.

The fundamental problem is that releasing features individually requires significantly more test resources than bundling them. For a new feature, you really need to run a full regression test to make sure you haven't broken any of the current features. The regression test covers all newly added features in the code, since your testing the impact on existing features, not testing the new features. So it will need be run far fewer times for a bundled feature release over running it for each individual feature release.

Not surprisingly, you tend to see far more regressions (bugs that were fixed are now broken again, or unintended effects on other features from new features) in the individual feature release model as they try to keep the per-feature test cost under control.

Looking at Cakewalks subscription model, the annoying case would be when your last release of the subscription introduces a new feature you want and breaks a current feature you use. The only way to get a working version is to re-up for a year.

This kind of thing isn't remotely new or innovative. A lot of commercial software is sold with the option to buy a support contract, which is a pretty similar concept. The difference is that a support contract situation usually calls for more up front to buy, and less per year to renew.

[zentatonic]

That vocalign-type thing looks sweet.

[GeorgeZ]

Well no. My specific question was if I reg X3 Prod after the release of... Sonar 2015?... am I getting X3 or what's the deal

But that is not the question that had been asked in this thread when you said 'That's one of the questions they refuse to answer'. That cant have been about your question, because you never even asked that question in this thread, it was about gamecat666's question....

is there any grace period for recently registered x3's?

That's one of the questions they refuse to answer directly in the CW forum

I did edit my post before you replied...

[jinotsuh]

Well no . . . .

lol

Again, I call Bullshit (with a healthy dose of trying to cover up)