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Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:48 pm

Pop Music is the undiscussable

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:44 pm

first ask yourself, what is mom music?

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:12 pm

Mom music is momular music.

Dood, do you take feature requests for your plugins. How about altering-developing that blewm whatchamacallit for chaos music composing purposes? I know it's called blewm but what exactly is it supposed to be? It's a music generator right?

But there are hardly any user controls? It seems like a super-usable tool, if it had user controls. I would pay for that. If I ever get a PayPal account, that is.

Lots of people would buy that, I bet.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:32 pm

harryupbabble wrote:
jancivil wrote: It's not a grammar problem, it's the wrong f**king word. It might be a typo. "I bet you are American" is just snark, who are you kidding with this "I'm just curious" business. You do this one a lot.

Jan, I don't understand why you would think that trying to understand something or being curious or attributing something to Americans that may be true amounts to snark (snide remark). At the moment I am interested in the English language and trying to better myself at it. And that includes learning word origins and misuse.

A couple of things here. 'then' for 'than' or vice versa is (when it's not a typo) a sign of someone that doesn't read, or is a moron. SO for me, your remark is, 'as I see this moronic usage (which was a typo, by an Australian), I assume you're an American.'. FINE, we have many morons or people where I think the assessment 'moron' is too generous by half. (But then again, an attribute amounts to you identifying a type, and as a member of this forum for a number of years, I can pretty much assure you the moronic, quasi-illiterate type is not restricted to nation particularly.) Then, I have seen you make some just obtuse statements, which LIKE THIS REPLY I can't be certain you're not just messing with me, where you do this 'I'm just really curious'. Example: You weren't curious about Mozart, you had a pet hypothesis you wanted to push and you dismiss other ideas out of hand. So "I bet you are _" is a statement, of Point of View.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:34 pm

I wish I was in Australia

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:29 am

jancivil wrote: A couple of things here. 'then' for 'than' or vice versa is (when it's not a typo) a sign of someone that doesn't read, or is a moron. SO for me, your remark is, 'as I see this moronic usage (which was a typo, by an Australian), I assume you're an American.'. FINE, we have many morons or people where I think the assessment 'moron' is too generous by half. (But then again, an attribute amounts to you identifying a type, and as a member of this forum for a number of years, I can pretty much assure you the moronic, quasi-illiterate type is not restricted to nation particularly.) Then, I have seen you make some just obtuse statements, which LIKE THIS REPLY I can't be certain you're not just messing with me, where you do this 'I'm just really curious'. Example: You weren't curious about Mozart, you had a pet hypothesis you wanted to push and you dismiss other ideas out of hand. So "I bet you are _" is a statement, of Point of View.

Jan, regarding that Mozart discussion, I think it's best to leave it alone. We could end up re-discussing that whole thing and go in circles again. We all presented our cases. It's all there. But to be fair, we three may all have been dismissing certain parts of what each other was saying.

Furthermore... just because I wasn't responding to some of your posts there, it doesn't mean I was dismissing them because they are dismissible or whatever. The thing with us long posters is that by the time we finish posting our post of the moment, the other person or persons (Fernando was there too, man that was a busy discussion, to me at least, I was replying to at least two people) may have posted something else already and we didn't even noticed. Most of that Mozart discussion was in real-time if I recall correctly. Plus, you did a lot of edits on your posts and I'm like "how can I address that post when later on that post is not the original post that I replied to"? One would have no way of knowing what was edited in an edited post. My reply posts to your edited posts might not make sense. So that's why it's better if posts are not edited because discussions could be clearer and posts would be worth replying to even more. I guess I could use KVR's quote function and quote all your posts before you edit them but people could say "Harry, you altered those quotes, those are not Jan's words" because, well because quotes are also editable. But in this here particular post I am going to reply anyways because it's not in real time and not as crowded. Aarrghh. I noticed you edited your post here that I was replying to, not I have to reword my post. Nah, I'm too tired now. See how a post can be easily dismissed? But no, I'll submit this post anyways.

Regarding the Australian who made the "then" comment... he did say he is married to an American and he may have lived or still be living in America, and for how long? I am not sure. 20 years? 4 years? He did say something about being assimilated. True, other nationalities besides Americans may have been misusing the "then" word too but from my personal experience at chatting or watching the chats at YouTube, it seemed it was mostly Americans that were doing it. How do I know this? From comments like, and I paraphrase, "alright alright alright, I went to the Ted Nugent concert last night, it's way better then Three Dog Night". One just has to use Google to see where the Ted Nugent concert was that night and pinpoint the exact city. Lots of telltale signs. The others who were misusing the "then" words may have also been Americans, it's just that in those cases they didn't leave definite clues of being Americans or not Americans. But isn't that enough to attribute the misuse of the "then" word to Americans? I know it's probably inadequate court-wise but I make judgements that only matters to me, doesn't really affect anybody else? And if those judgements are wrong then I make adjustments to make it right or be corrected. Okay, that's enough typing for me here today, off to ISC. Au revoir.

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:32 am

double post

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:43 am

harryupbabble wrote: Lots of people would buy that, I bet.

i expect as much. but it's interesting, lots of people would buy that, but would lots of people get off their butt and try programming anything themselves? that would really mess this industry up and make society more gooder

keeping it as a non-interactive experience is to defeat the involvement of the listener's ego, and encourage attention being to the experience instead of the mechanism

actual listening, huh. how about that.

i should keep working that core and improve the stuff that i did quick, eventually add procedural lyrics. but i was also thinking of adding a "dope beats for suckers" style voice engine allowing each user to have their own unique paranormal experience. how about that. yes i made that album.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:58 am

harryupbabble wrote:
jancivil wrote: A couple of things here. Example: You weren't curious about Mozart, you had a pet hypothesis you wanted to push and you dismiss other ideas out of hand.

Jan, regarding that Mozart discussion, I think it's best to leave it alone. But to be fair, we three may all have been dismissing certain parts of what each other was saying.

... just because I wasn't responding to some of your posts there ... Plus, you did a lot of edits

First of all you asked me why I think that about your "I'm curious". (My edit there was to clarify the statement that wound up as the last sentence. And I clarify or amplify points, not switch to some other point. I know you think editing is suspect, and I see you want to use that to taint my point in order to dismiss it here. EDIT! And I found 28 posts of mine that address your hijack of the 'Open Personality' thread, off topic with 'Mozart made a dice game,so _'. 23 of those went with no edit.)
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You just illustrated my point perfectly, all of this verbiage in service of obfuscation. You have some very effective mechanisms working to avoid points. My actual point there was, you weren't really interested in Mozart: the formality of, the conventionality of the minuet, didn't matter, you were interested only in fitting what was there to 'chance' and 'chaos'. After a certain number of iterations, I surely had your idea to dismiss it. What I said here was 'dismiss out of hand'. The form of a 16-bar minuet doesn't have room for chaos as a compositional modus operandi, but you aren't in the least interested. "An ordered form can be chaos-based." which is free from thought completely. It's talking to a wall.

Otherworldly · Post by **Otherworldly** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:16 am

harryupbabble wrote:
Otherworldly wrote:Pop is most liked trends (various styles),
Far more difficult to start a new trend (Pop),
Either way, writing a hit song (that contains fantastic hooks) is easier said then done.
I agree. I bet pop music is the hardest to succeed at because, besides mastering the art of hooks, the pressure to have massive success is probably (and I emphasize "probably") much greater than any other genre.

Your reply to me is not offensive at all

Your 'respect' regarding the fine art of writing great hooks and accomplishing massive success is commendable. Kudos to you

Pop Music is more than just having fantastic "Hooks" (music), and either following or setting the trend (I prefer the later, in the music business they call it "Pushing the Envelope" (thinking outside the box, stretching the boundaries). However, there's another key important element that needs just as much investment and effort:

The music business is certainly no cakewalk, I'm grateful of having first-hand experience involving radio, label managers and publicist. I learned a lot about what really goes on behind the scenes. Point is, having great songs (with fantastic hooks/melodies) is only half the battle won, it's getting to the next level that is the most difficult. . . sadly most musicians fail, some writers/musicians signed to a major label have brief success, and can't wait till their contract ends. Many hang on tight for years until they burn out, or worse. . . there's been many great musicians who have fallen, may they rest in peace.

Some bands go on to achieve great success, sadly most don't; welcome to the music business.

Okay, let's get the gist of it,

Music is an art-form, a labor of love that requires skill and a boat load of motivation. The common trappings is not knowing the business side i.e. a new release (single, EP or album) is destine to fail without as much effort and investment put into PR/marketing. Hint: Musicians must also be entrepreneurs, having excellent music business knowledge is important and covers a lot of areas...

The music scene is no doubt over saturated and the chances of being discovered is 1 in 100+ million. Don't let that discourage you, many musicians simply enjoy creating music purely as a hobby. For others who take their craft very seriously, it's indeed possible to achieve success but it requires a ton of motivation and perseverance. First up, keep honing your writing and performance skills, always give it your best; no less than 100%, strive to better your previous efforts. Know your targeted audience and what they want, have a great concept and sort affordable marketing plans that will give you the edge. The key is knowing your target audience and the business side of the equation - once you learn how it's done you're on the way to success, patience is a virtue, expect a long and tough road ahead. Don't let rejection stop you from trying again and again. . . listen up, be patient, persevere and keep honing your skills.

Musicians invest in gear, the next step is to invest in PR/marketing and analysis (to help determine your target audience). PR/marketing can be done for less than $500 (monthly) including press release prepared professionally, which is reasonable considering the outcome; exposure to at least 20 to 50 music news blog sites and airplay (radio). If you capitalize on that you should gain a noticeable boost of fan (followers). However, getting out and performing live will greatly increase your chances, and in some instances, free news release i.e. regarding events. Again, you can 'capitalize' on this in two ways, shared on social sites can lead to further news press including interviews on Radio and TV. Always capitalize (when the momentum starts rolling, keep it going). Tip: compile your contact list, which should include news press, radio and other music industry business relations.

Marketing For New Unknown Artists/Labels On A Low Budget - How to get the ball rolling? Obviously a great song (ready for release) is a good start (you're half-way there), now you to find good music blogs suitable to the type of music you do, contact them requests for review, feature or article about new your release. Whatever you send better be your best effort, nothing less than 100% effort will do regarding "Everything" such as your music and how well you present your brand - "Presentation" e.g. your website, social sites, photos, videos and graphics/logos, everything must be high quality content. First impressions are important, if you go about any of this half-baked? Music journalists may not give you another chance. Keep all sections such as cover letter and biography short and to the point (i.e. one paragraph). Always be considerate, grateful, patient and most of all, plan months in advance especially if you want to coincide/timing regarding special events i.e. new release/launch. Keep in mind that music journalist are usually inundated daily with many requests, you need to make their task easy and efficient for example, have your submissions written from a music journalist perspective.

In my opinion, nowadays it's best for new artist(s)/bands to start by releasing "singles," less time consuming, whereas a whole album review by an unknown requires much more time. . . most journalist are busy, therefore don't give them the slightest reason not to press ahead. Have your press release written professional from a music journalist perspective. It's also best to have the artist(s)/band's biography written professionally; don't underestimate the importance of a well presented biography and press release.

I also suggest you get your own record label/brand registered ® or for less (Trademarked) and of course domain name registered. Assign a public relations manager; he/she acts as your representative under strict guidance and authority from "You." That's the beauty of being Independent (you're in control). Success is possible without being signed to a major label, and if that opportunity occurs? Sub-Labels may carry more weight regarding negotiations i.e. instead of the usual 15/85 (label get the bigger slice), a sub-label can negotiate a better deal: 50/50. This is evolving now since major labels count their losses, the focus is starting to shift to for example, "Services" and "Development (mentoring)." But there's more you need to know, read on....

EPK is like a business card on steroids, in which new press will utilize - include at least one high quality 10x4" (1800 x 1200 pixels) photograph, no less than 300.dpi uncompressed .jpg format. Be creative rather than cliché, also be cautious about unwanted background items such as strangers, business name displayed and car registration number plates. Photos should be included as a download option for the EPK (Electronic Press Kit) - Simply insert a much smaller image i.e. 450 x 300 pixels with description (details including size of file download) with link to original 1800 x 1200 pixel photo hosted online. The EPK should be done in open format (unlocked) and .pdf is not required. Word processor such as Open Office will do fine, this allows the journalist to easily copy/paste or edit for publication. On your site you should present a printable version (white background) with a link to download in .doc (word processor) format. I strongly advise you include all social site icon-links, and links to your music streaming sites such as YouTube; here you can use a small thumbnail image (YouTube/Video Still). Contact (phone or Email cover letter) with EPK link to potential news media. The reason for this is clear; you "Must" include contact details such as your phone numbers, Email contacts and business (or home) address (tip: apply for a Post Box) - This makes it a lot easier and efficient for journalist and other business professionals to quickly get in touch with you. Withhold private information from the public; the EPK is meant for staff, not for all your fans to see. There are services that provide call-to-action protocols i.e. requires an email address and/or code before viewing document.

Anything you don't want published from your press release should not be included. Simple eh. I think if something is that important; send an Email. For example, you may want to give a time-frame prior to a new release or event (live showcase) and believe me; "You Should Always Plan Press Releases Months in Advance" Remember, journalist receive a boat load of request and timing is everything in the music business i.e. special events (live shows) regarding new music release. Additional NFP information can be presented via a "Cover Letter" not for publication - a cover letter (or follow up) is quite basic really, keep it very brief and to the point.

I think it's worth saying again; "Plan Your Press Releases Months in Advance", of course the same would apply for marketing and other such as events schedules i.e. venue bookings and travel arrangements for the band.

I recommend marketing services - professional PR companies such as Starlight Music Group and Mi2N. There's an old saying that rings true "Musicians are their own worst Enemies." Having great music with all due respect to the art of music creation along with outstanding musicianship, mix and mastering skills is a start, unfortunately where most musicians fail is due to having inadequate music business knowledge. Tip: Music Business > Entrepreneur (music)!

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:25 pm

Thanks very much for the informative post Otherwordly. I hope people make use of it. I myself am just starting to learn basic pop composing and am not even in the "hook mastering" phase and I may never master it and I'm a long ways off from making use of the valuable info you provided. Thanks again.

PS, I have never called people who misuse words "morons" nor "illiterate". But I do admit I may have called people who suck at speed scrabble "inferior", not as human beings but solely as speed scrabble players. Come to think of it... I should stop doing that even though it may have been an effective "psychological warfare" game tool.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:40 pm

harryupbabble wrote: I bet pop music is the hardest to succeed at because [...] the pressure to have massive success is probably much greater than any other genre.

^basically a tautology

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:16 am

harryupbabble wrote: PS, I have never called people who misuse words "morons" nor "illiterate".

Yet you've wound up in a lot of fist fights. (ad_hom)

FTR, I characterized mistaking 'then' for 'than' as "moronic" and a sign of a paucity of reading (hence, quasi-illliterate). Which is specific rather than the generality as we see you state here.

Otherworldly · Post by **Otherworldly** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:14 am

harryupbabble wrote:Thanks very much for the informative post Otherwordly. I hope people make use of it. I myself am just starting to learn basic pop composing and am not even in the "hook mastering" phase and I may never master it and I'm a long ways off from making use of the valuable info you provided. Thanks again.

PS, I have never called people who misuse words "morons" nor "illiterate". But I do admit I may have called people who suck at speed scrabble "inferior", not as human beings but solely as speed scrabble players. Come to think of it... I should stop doing that even though it may have been an effective "psychological warfare" game tool.

You're welcome.

My wife and I like Scrabble, she plays Scrabble online every day and has won many times. I've got too much happening in the music business, unfortunately I don't always have time for Scrabble. Btw it's fair say, you are likely to beat me at "Speed Scrabble" I'm inferior. . . . too slow, misspelled colour (or is it color?), missed the triple score, further missed opportunities

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:44 am

jancivil wrote:
harryupbabble wrote: PS, I have never called people who misuse words "morons" nor "illiterate".
Yet you've wound up in a lot of fist fights. (ad_hom)

FTR, I characterized mistaking 'then' for 'than' as "moronic" and a sign of a paucity of reading (hence, quasi-illliterate). Which is specific rather than the generality as we see you state here.

"Quasi-illliterate". I have never typed that word before today. Hahaha that sounds like Bill Clinton. But "quasi-illliterate" is your word, Jan.

The fist fights have nothing to do with me calling people names. It was mostly the other way around and about self-defense and "oh yeah, let's see what you got" silly challenge kind of stuff. Not exactly bar fights. Boy stuff, actually. School stuff. Was still dangerous and stupid though. Had to stop.

Like you have never been in fights, Jan. Okay, I don't know. Have you?

What Is Pop Music?