KVR Audio

duncanm · Post by **duncanm** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:43 am

I don't entirely understand this though:

"It is now possible to load VST and AU plugins. Hotswapping plugins with Push enables browsing the plugin's presets (AU only)."

So you can't actually browse presets with VSTs, but just select them and load them in? I thought you could do that anyway, it's just that you couldn't touch the parameters unless you put it in a rack?

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:45 am

thetechnobear wrote:I think for me 'the big thing ' is the hi res display means longer text is visible for parameters, track names etc

The ableton videos really are very convincing

I agree, especially since I don't use samples that much.
What's slightly annoying (but understandable) is that the fancy icons I see (like curves to indicate highpass or lowpass filters) are probably only available to Live's native devices.

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:06 am

duncanm wrote:I don't entirely understand this though:

"It is now possible to load VST and AU plugins. Hotswapping plugins with Push enables browsing the plugin's presets (AU only)."

So you can't actually browse presets with VSTs, but just select them and load them in? I thought you could do that anyway, it's just that you couldn't touch the parameters unless you put it in a rack?

In order to load presets you have/had to save the synth and preset as a rack. So you were never able to do that directly from within the synth as it were.

duncanm · Post by **duncanm** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:15 am

I guess what I mean is, VSTs still won't allow you to select the preset - that option is only available for AUs?

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:19 am

Yes exactly, but even with AUs you can only do that if the plugin supports it I think.

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:37 pm

BDeep wrote:Yes exactly, but even with AUs you can only do that if the plugin supports it I think.

Correct.

For VST and AU, you can browse presets if (from my understanding of why some work and others don't) they followed the VST/AU SDK specs correctly.

At bare minimum, you can now see/load all your VST or AU plugins directly from the browser. Once the plugin is loaded, hitting browse will show presets of the plugin if they're made available.

This is still a huge step up from Push 1, as I for some plugins I have (.adg) presets made for every preset offered in the plugin, while others (mostly EQ/Dynamic plugins) I had save the plugin itself as a preset.

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:39 pm

BDeep wrote:I wonder... If Push 2 still has aftertouch? It might, but I can't find any reference on Ableton's pages.

That said, the upgrade is indeed tempting, I got Push in a sale as well, so that's not that bad a deal.

Aftertouch is there.

What's not "yet" there (as in I hope it comes later) is the option to adjust the velocity sensitivity like you can on Push 1. But it is there.

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:40 pm

It would be really funny if Ableton would use NI's new NKS format to map a plugins parameters to Push, and beat NI at their own game

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:41 pm

elxsound wrote:
BDeep wrote:I wonder... If Push 2 still has aftertouch? It might, but I can't find any reference on Ableton's pages.

That said, the upgrade is indeed tempting, I got Push in a sale as well, so that's not that bad a deal.
Aftertouch is there.

What's not "yet" there (as in I hope it comes later) is the option to adjust the velocity sensitivity like you can on Push 1. But it is there.

Oh really? That good news!
I believe I saw that there's a velocity curve for Push 2 in the setup menu (found it in the manual), isn't that the same thing?

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:44 pm

Yes... There's velocity curve that can be determined by 3 different settings (Pad Sesnitivity, Pad Gain and Pad Dynamics) ranging from 1-9 scale.

It is very flexible

cocoazenith · Post by **cocoazenith** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:29 pm

Respect to Ableton for setting an example and making this a .5 instead of a .00.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:13 pm

Seeing Andy of Cytomic filter designs there, makes me feel love and happyness...

MaF · Post by **MaF** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:36 pm

BDeep wrote:It would be really funny if Ableton would use NI's new NKS format to map a plugins parameters to Push, and beat NI at their own game

Would be cool, if this could be implemented. Is NKS open to work with other hardware?

Leaked photo of Push 2