Output Movement: Rhythm FX

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Typical KVR - 3 pages in with various moaning about lack of a demo, and just a quick read of the developer's webpage will show this policy.
To all extents and purposes that is a demo.

Are you for real? That can hardly be considered a demo.

I hear ya! It doesn't have that authentic demo feel

To that end, I have tried to simulate various restrictions:

1) Upon instantiation, I mimic the effects of a splash-screen and wait 8 seconds before use
2) I've automated the muting of all os x audio for 5 seconds, every 60 seconds
3) I am saving presets to a thumb drive that I won't reconnect until I decide to keep the full license
4) After every 30 minutes use, I remove the plugin from the chain, then re-instantiate it

Now I can demo this thing properly

[KTlin]

I hear ya! It doesn't have that authentic demo feel
To that end, I have tried to simulate various restrictions:
1) Upon instantiation, I mimic the effects of a splash-screen and wait 8 seconds before use
2) I've automated the muting of all os x audio for 5 seconds, every 60 seconds
3) I am saving presets to a thumb drive that I won't reconnect until I decide to keep the full license
4) After every 30 minutes use, I remove the plugin from the chain, then re-instantiate it
Now I can demo this thing properly

LOL

So I suppose you would prefer that every software developer to follow your logic and stop offering demos of their software, and instead, offer an X day return policy. Right?
Let's say at some point you would like to demo several pieces of software (a DAW and a couple of plugins worth $1.000 in total, for example). It looks like you have no problem "blocking" that sum on your bank account for a week or so, just so you could try the softwares without those horrible limitations (like having to hear a 5 seconds noise every 5 minutes).

[nordickvr]

I like Output Movement.
Heard you about Tantra, Sequent, NI Molekular and the likes, they are all beast, no doubt about it.
Different tools lead to different results though.
Technically, there's always (well almost) a way to obtain specific result using multiple different roads.
V'got to see with what this particular tool inspired you.
At that, I found Movement really effective.

[wesleymayhem]

I like Output Movement.
Heard you about Tantra, Sequent, NI Molekular and the likes, they are all beast, no doubt about it.
Different tools lead to different results though.
Technically, there's always (well almost) a way to obtain specific result using multiple different roads.
V'got to see with what this particular tool inspired you.
At that, I found Movement really effective.

[memyselfandus]

I really do like the online demo but customers need an actual demo.
It would be cool if more devs had a small web based demo to click on but it should never be a replacement for a real demo.

The whole purpose of a demo is to be able to try out All the features You are interested in and see how the plugin Performs inside your current setup. A process that can't be replaced without the potential customer potentially being short changed.

No actual demo = bad for potential customers

[nordickvr]

I hear ya! It doesn't have that authentic demo feel
To that end, I have tried to simulate various restrictions:
1) Upon instantiation, I mimic the effects of a splash-screen and wait 8 seconds before use
2) I've automated the muting of all os x audio for 5 seconds, every 60 seconds
3) I am saving presets to a thumb drive that I won't reconnect until I decide to keep the full license
4) After every 30 minutes use, I remove the plugin from the chain, then re-instantiate it
Now I can demo this thing properly

LOL

So I suppose you would prefer that every software developer to follow your logic and stop offering demos of their software, and instead, offer an X day return policy. Right?
Let's say at some point you would like to demo several pieces of software (a DAW and a couple of plugins worth $1.000 in total, for example). It looks like you have no problem "blocking" that sum on your bank account for a week or so, just so you could try the softwares without those horrible limitations (like having to hear a 5 seconds noise every 5 minutes).

I'd be curious to hear a song made with demos version of a DAW + 3 or more instances of all different plug-ins with random beeps/silence going on.
Could lead to an all new trend of unexpected music style while not costing you a simple dime.

[KTlin]

I'd be curious to hear a song made with demos version of a DAW + 3 or more instances of all different plug-ins with random beeps/silence going on.
Could lead to an all new trend of unexpected music style while not costing you a simple dime.

Hehe... I'm sure there's a conceptual artist that already did that at some experimental music festival.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I hear ya! It doesn't have that authentic demo feel
To that end, I have tried to simulate various restrictions:
1) Upon instantiation, I mimic the effects of a splash-screen and wait 8 seconds before use
2) I've automated the muting of all os x audio for 5 seconds, every 60 seconds
3) I am saving presets to a thumb drive that I won't reconnect until I decide to keep the full license
4) After every 30 minutes use, I remove the plugin from the chain, then re-instantiate it
Now I can demo this thing properly

LOL

So I suppose you would prefer that every software developer to follow your logic and stop offering demos of their software, and instead, offer an X day return policy. Right?

I was just making a joke, so "logic" is kinda off the table I haven't bothered to d'load this, and I'm not going to

I actually don't like the buy/refund policy at all. My personal preference is towards NI demos (if not their entire business model).

[KTlin]

I was just making a joke, so "logic" is kinda off the table I haven't bothered to d'load this, and I'm not going to
I actually don't like the buy/refund policy at all. My personal preference is towards NI demos (if not their entire business model).

The joke was very good, that's why I put the "LOL" there.
But I thought that maybe you actually prefer the buy/refund policy method instead of a demo.
Sorry if my "logic" comment sounded mean.

[nordickvr]

I hear ya! It doesn't have that authentic demo feel
To that end, I have tried to simulate various restrictions:
1) Upon instantiation, I mimic the effects of a splash-screen and wait 8 seconds before use
2) I've automated the muting of all os x audio for 5 seconds, every 60 seconds
3) I am saving presets to a thumb drive that I won't reconnect until I decide to keep the full license
4) After every 30 minutes use, I remove the plugin from the chain, then re-instantiate it
Now I can demo this thing properly

LOL

So I suppose you would prefer that every software developer to follow your logic and stop offering demos of their software, and instead, offer an X day return policy. Right?

I was just making a joke, so "logic" is kinda off the table I haven't bothered to d'load this, and I'm not going to

I actually don't like the buy/refund policy at all. My personal preference is towards NI demos (if not their entire business model).

Demo version are a real +, Output refund policy makes it possible for one who really want to try it to do so with no limit at least.

@el-bo (formerly ebow) - By the way, love that let emulate demo mode post!

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I was just making a joke, so "logic" is kinda off the table I haven't bothered to d'load this, and I'm not going to
I actually don't like the buy/refund policy at all. My personal preference is towards NI demos (if not their entire business model).

The joke was very good, that's why I put the "LOL" there.
But I thought that maybe you actually prefer the buy/refund policy method instead of a demo.
Sorry if my "logic" comment sounded mean.

Not mean at all, don't worry.

I prefer demos, although there are certain annoyances that might put me off even trying.

For instance, inserting silence in time-based (delay/reverb) effects really kills the flow for me. I'd much prefer that an audible (but not harsh) signal played in place of audio drop-out. Of course, the sound would not be passed through the signal chain of the effect

It also really gets to me when developers add the most jarring sounds to their demos e.g white noise blasts at high volume levels. I had to email sinevibes at one point to see if they could tone it down a bit, but he acted like it was not really something worth bothering with, and that no one else had made a complaint.

[KTlin]

I prefer demos, although there are certain annoyances that might put me off even trying.
For instance, inserting silence in time-based (delay/reverb) effects really kills the flow for me. I'd much prefer that an audible (but not harsh) signal played in place of audio drop-out. Of course, the sound would not be passed through the signal chain of the effect
It also really gets to me when developers add the most jarring sounds to their demos e.g white noise blasts at high volume levels. I had to email sinevibes at one point to see if they could tone it down a bit, but he acted like it was not really something worth bothering with, and that no one else had made a complaint.

Yes. I totally agree with you. Some developers choose really bad solutions for their demos. Like, for example, the silence in Loomer's Sequent demo was extremely annoying; at times I didn't know if it was caused by some settings in the looper module or by the demo limitation.
I think the best strategy for a demo is to have it fully functional (with saving disabled but without noises and silences) for 2 weeks and after that period to have a low-level noise inserted once every 5 minutes or something.

[Sound Author]

Sinevibes just called. Their demos will now play Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up" every minute...

...on the minute.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I think the best strategy for a demo is to have it fully functional (with saving disabled but without noises and silences) for 2 weeks and after that period to have a low-level noise inserted once every 5 minutes or something.

I actually don't mind low-level noise from the start. It's always preferable to drop out for me. I always thought that U-He's Diva was a fine example. The sound 'burst' was noticeable enough to render any recording useless, but pleasant enough to let you just get on with enjoying the plug

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Sinevibes just called. Their demos will now play Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up" every minute...

...on the minute.

Honestly, that would have been preferable