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Jaeson Merrill · Post by **Jaeson Merrill** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:37 pm

anyways, i was going to demo EnergyXT.. that has envelopes.

I think it would have worked if it was nice, behind the scenes and if i wouldnt have been asking all my stupid questions

then again, how would i have known quincy wanted to sell it if he didnt post it?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:46 pm

Jaeson_Merrill wrote:buy a tascam tape recorder, make a few tapes with it, then sell it to a friend. Tascam didnt get any money from that sale, but its perfectly legal.

that's absurd, sorry but coming from many years in retail that's so off line. With the purchase of software it is possible to sell the software after you installed it, and still keep. You can't sell hardware to someone and still maintain ownership...unless you have some magic cloning machine, in which case I'll be right over with a dollar bill....

Jaeson Merrill · Post by **Jaeson Merrill** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:55 pm

well, i think THAT is absurd.

i mean, if someone keeps it, it is equivalent to using warez. illegal!! they are doing something totally illegal. Tons of ppl take that risk everyday, and if that one person wants to, fine for them, they can get caught someday.

who cares???

its ridiculous.

Jaeson Merrill · Post by **Jaeson Merrill** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:57 pm

what makes it even better with IL is that if you sold out, you wouldnt be able to access the forums.

someone can pick up a copy of warezed FL easily. But when someone wants to bloody buy it like a decent human being, like any other legal transfer of sale...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:10 pm

apprently you miss my point, go ahead go to any music store, buy software and open it...you won't be returning it. So a legal staff has to be sure they cover all bases. I'm not indicting anyone here, but it just takes one person to not be honorable. Then you have illegal copies for sale everywhere, like warez perhaps. BTW so you know I bought a second version of FL for my 23 year old son. But IL has a right to protect their product. I have a vested interest because I own the software and want to see them coming up with new things for us. FWIW someone could also accidently forget they have it in their system. FL does not have an uninstaller, you just delete the folder. So actually it's possible to have mulitple versions installed and forget they are there. It's wise marketing, what is not wise is to allow it for some and not others. That one baffles me.

Jaeson Merrill · Post by **Jaeson Merrill** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:26 pm

hink wrote:what is not wise is to allow it for some and not others. That one baffles me.

well, we agree on one thing then

as far as your music store analogy, it doesnt apply 100 percent here.

no matter who has the software on the pc, ONLY the registered user can get the free upgrades, and support.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:15 pm

Just wondering, where is here, I know you're in the US I am a New Englander. However I can state for absolute fact that this was the policy at Mars antion wide and is the policy at GC, unless of course the disk is flawed.

But to show you how low people will stoop. When I worked at Mars (it's most of it's life here in Mass.)
we started with a 45 day return policy. Oneday a customer came in, mind you this was around the turn of the cemtury, and bought a Roland VS1680, a Korg Triton, I think Roland Vdrums...a huge sale. Thank god we weren't on commission at the time. Just before the return would expire they returned everything, I think they may have gotten hit with a 10% restocking fee but I don't remember, anyhow when we asked why...they laughed and said "we finished the project"...
Funny thing is this doesn't even come in the top ten bad acts I have seen from customers. Number one is the guy who wanted to rent a trumpet when I worked for a local 4 store Mom and Pop chain. They supply many schools with rent to own, and extended this to all customers. This guy comes in, I pull him out a trumpet he's happy. I start writing up the agreement, I go through getting the pain things out of the way...serial number, model...then I get his name. next I ask for his address, he asked why....

...he finally gave it to me. I asked for his phone number, he asked me why..

..Then when I asked for ID and his social security number he stormed out screaming I was too difficult..

Jaeson Merrill · Post by **Jaeson Merrill** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 12:42 am

that is a sad situation indeed.

i use to work at radioshack (man that sucked we DID work on commision) and some college kids would walk in and buy the most expensive walkie talkies and radar detectors and then 2 weeks later they would have sunburn and sand in there teeth and stickers from all the east coast states and say "we really didnt like them man, sorry"

Jaeson Merrill · Post by **Jaeson Merrill** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 12:44 am

you know, as wrong as it was, i did laugh inside a bit though....

by the way, im in PA

quincy · Post by **quincy** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:35 am

All I know is that this is neither mine or jasons fault. Most every other software developer eithr allows transfers or not. Its simple, its easy to understand.

As for the whole "not in public" thing, well next time i'll just advertise that i want to sell telepathically shall I?!

Imageline told me 2 different things. its their cock-up, not ours. Simple as that. If they trained their half-wit staff properly then i probably would have been told "no" in the first place. And that would have been just fine. But to say yes, then say no several days later after i agreed to sell?! Thats just f**king stupid.

sergef50 · Post by **sergef50** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:48 am

Fruity is a good app people go on about its good parts and how it can do everything all the others can do...well it can....and for bashing out really quickly at first its good!! very good i used it for a good fewyears!! BUT, its sound quality...people will go on about how its identical to others, well yes it is........but only AFTER EXPORT.....when ure working in fruity its on lower settings..probably to save cpu? surely when ure working on the utne is when u need the upmost quality?? (talking sampler wise here as thats the only place really quality can differ in each program....obviously the rules changes when u use ure own

) ALSO, not sure if it was me or was the stereo image in fruity a bit f**ked? compared to the likes of logic or Sx2 in which u seem to have so much beautiful stereo room....not a 2 up 2 down flat lol....and.....WHY ARE THE MIXERS so f**king small on fruity? how can anyone mixdown on that.....(oh and b4 fruity bods come back at me with all the work arounds for that....i know them....but its not about workarounds is it?

dont get me wrong fruity is a good program and i used it for MOST of my tracks over the years and no doubt will still use it, but its by no means the best.....

TeeLangSun · Post by **TeeLangSun** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 12:38 pm

hink wrote: This guy comes in, I pull him out a trumpet he's happy. I start writing up the agreement, I go through getting the pain things out of the way...serial number, model...then I get his name. next I ask for his address, he asked why.... ...he finally gave it to me. I asked for his phone number, he asked me why.. ..Then when I asked for ID and his social security number he stormed out screaming I was too difficult..

I don't know about difficult, but I do agree that there's something wrong with all these stores asking for all your personal information. ID and Social Security? I've never been asked for that much information in order to buy any music gear. I can honestly say, that I feel strange about giving stores my phone number and address and at the point where they ask for my Social, I will also simply refuse, rather than get into a discussion at the checkout. And over the recent holiday, guess who called my house to remind me about their incredible holiday sale. Guitar Center. Along with the fact that I get sales papers from Sam Ash and Guitar Center about once every 2 weeks. I believe that it's risky for us to give out all this information so easily, just so that they can send me sales info and call my house. This information could easily get into the wrong hands. And if someone gets your social security number, along with you Credit card info, name, address, and phone number, then that person has more than enough to steal your identity, rob you blind, ruin your credit, etc. All because some music store wanted to send you some sales info.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:28 pm

TeeLangSun wrote:
hink wrote: This guy comes in, I pull him out a trumpet he's happy. I start writing up the agreement, I go through getting the pain things out of the way...serial number, model...then I get his name. next I ask for his address, he asked why.... ...he finally gave it to me. I asked for his phone number, he asked me why.. ..Then when I asked for ID and his social security number he stormed out screaming I was too difficult..
I don't know about difficult, but I do agree that there's something wrong with all these stores asking for all your personal information. ID and Social Security? I've never been asked for that much information in order to buy any music gear. I can honestly say, that I feel strange about giving stores my phone number and address and at the point where they ask for my Social, I will also simply refuse, rather than get into a discussion at the checkout.

Dude, you conveniently deleted the portion where he said the guy was *RENTING* the equipment. HUGE difference from BUYING it!

I'd say what they wanted was reasonable, EXCEPT the SSN.

Devon

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:34 pm

well they are French....(or is it Belgian, does it matter?)

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:40 pm

CypherOne wrote:well they are French....(or is it Belgian, does it matter?)

who is?

? about FLstudio 4 producer