One Synth Challenge #95: HY-Mono by HY-Plugins / hyakken (Carl_saved wins!!!)

[Paree]

"Unstable" indeed:

https://soundcloud.com/user-67104555/hy-mono-drums

How did you make that snare?

Each time i open the project, it gets Initialized
I'm using Tracktion 5.

Also, Track Freezing is allowed right?

[Frostline]

How funny, ontrackp, I had that exact same thought, in regards to the MONO nature of the synth. We've had a few like that before and almost every DAW has some way to "cheat" and make it appear polyphonic. Then, of course, it no longer represents the true nature of the synth. And, yes, it does make the synth appear polyphonic! Chords are no problem, bell like sounds that release fade note by note, all the kind of stuff that this synth cannot really do.

I still do not understand.
I especially don't understand who or what is being "cheated".
The f-horn section of a piece of music may have 4 different parts written for the arrangement. But since the true nature of the f-horn is monophonic is it "cheating" to have 4 f-horn players?
Is it "cheating" if the notes the f-horn section is playing happen to form a chord?

If not, what makes a mono synth any different from any other mono instrument?

[Paree]

This page suggests me that i can use Filters. Isn't using Filters changing this sound?
https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/re ... ed-plugins

[ATN69]

How funny, ontrackp, I had that exact same thought, in regards to the MONO nature of the synth. We've had a few like that before and almost every DAW has some way to "cheat" and make it appear polyphonic. Then, of course, it no longer represents the true nature of the synth. And, yes, it does make the synth appear polyphonic! Chords are no problem, bell like sounds that release fade note by note, all the kind of stuff that this synth cannot really do.

I still do not understand.
I especially don't understand who or what is being "cheated".
The f-horn section of a piece of music may have 4 different parts written for the arrangement. But since the true nature of the f-horn is monophonic is it "cheating" to have 4 f-horn players?
Is it "cheating" if the notes the f-horn section is playing happen to form a chord?

If not, what makes a mono synth any different from any other mono instrument?

You don't need to blow air into it? ..all jokes aside, I do agree. It seems to be the goal for some people to make Everything as minimalistic as possible, even until it's no longer possible to make something that can be called Music

[Taron]

Frostline, ATN69, of course you guys are right, this is about making music with a given sound source and there's no point in restricting how that sound source is being played. It's just that one of the beautiful aspects of the OSC is to craft songs that bring out certain qualities of each respective synth, which somehow still keep the identity of that synth alive, I suppose.
But all of this is truly philosophy. It shouldn't be dictated to artists how they are allowed to "play" the synth or deal with instances.

So, yeah, no real need to worry about it! I also don't think that using such polyphonic tools make this synth any better or worse.

I don't know, yet, if I want to make a song with it, actually, but I am also considering to actually try and go for its nature directly and lay down monophonic tracks. Could be neat?!

[Paree]

"Unstable" indeed:

https://soundcloud.com/user-67104555/hy-mono-drums

How did you make that snare?

Each time i open the project, it gets Initialized
I'm using Tracktion 5.

Also, Track Freezing is allowed right?

This page suggests me that i can use Filters. Isn't using Filters changing this sound?
https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/re ... ed-plugins

Can anybody clear these doubts?

[Taron]

Oh yes, you can! The reasoning is that filters and EQs are essentially the same thing with different appearing parameters. Since there's no way to reasonably prohibit the use of EQs, there's no real reason to prohibit other filters simply to make it harder to achieve the same effects.
Funny example, go back to one of my early OSC entries: "CityWolf"
I had a section in there that was supposed to sound like out of a transistor radio, but back then I was totally certain (in my mind!) filters were not allowed. So I used EQs to create a bandpass like effect.

What REALLY matters is your own personal artistic integrity. When people rely too much on these things, they manage to make each synth essentially sound the same for each month they participate with only quality differences, if any. That, of course, is a little sad then.

[Cruba]

How funny, ontrackp, I had that exact same thought, in regards to the MONO nature of the synth. We've had a few like that before and almost every DAW has some way to "cheat" and make it appear polyphonic. Then, of course, it no longer represents the true nature of the synth. And, yes, it does make the synth appear polyphonic! Chords are no problem, bell like sounds that release fade note by note, all the kind of stuff that this synth cannot really do.

I still do not understand.
I especially don't understand who or what is being "cheated".
The f-horn section of a piece of music may have 4 different parts written for the arrangement. But since the true nature of the f-horn is monophonic is it "cheating" to have 4 f-horn players?
Is it "cheating" if the notes the f-horn section is playing happen to form a chord?

If not, what makes a mono synth any different from any other mono instrument?

Easy: If I'm right the guys are talking about ONE instance that will be routed several times. That would mean you have ONE real violin and find a way to split and kinda pitch ONE note/tone at one time.

So for me it's not a serious way to do the challenge. If I'm wrong -> nothin' said.

[Taron]

Huh? Nah... what this means is that you take the midi input of several notes, which then a splitter splits into instances of the synth so that they all play as if polyphonic...eh...actually polyphonic. The comparison is correct by saying it's like a violin section or any orchestral section that has monophonic instruments.
So...it's totally legit, technically speaking. There's no such thing as pitching after the fact, because that would be a violation.

[Paree]

Oh yes, you can! The reasoning is that filters and EQs are essentially the same thing with different appearing parameters. Since there's no way to reasonably prohibit the use of EQs, there's no real reason to prohibit other filters simply to make it harder to achieve the same effects.
Funny example, go back to one of my early OSC entries: "CityWolf"
I had a section in there that was supposed to sound like out of a transistor radio, but back then I was totally certain (in my mind!) filters were not allowed. So I used EQs to create a bandpass like effect.

What REALLY matters is your own personal artistic integrity. When people rely too much on these things, they manage to make each synth essentially sound the same for each month they participate with only quality differences, if any. That, of course, is a little sad then.

What about resonant filters like HY-Filter2?

[Taron]

I find that concerning, but I don't make the rules. I'm sure it's been a topic many times, but maybe BJ wants to help clarify a little more?!

[Cruba]

Huh? Nah... what this means is that you take the midi input of several notes, which then a splitter splits into instances of the synth so that they all play as if polyphonic...eh...actually polyphonic. The comparison is correct by saying it's like a violin section or any orchestral section that has monophonic instruments.
So...it's totally legit, technically speaking. There's no such thing as pitching after the fact, because that would be a violation.

Ahhhh okok... As we see I'm definately NOT a master of midi... rofl

Ty!

[Taron]

And we can also see, my English in the morning shows some considerable gaps...
...but I'm assuming my point came across?!

Search for a vst called "midiPolyphony". But after it you may need to hook up a Midi Splitter.
In MuLAB this is very easy.

mulab_midisplit.jpg

I only hooked up four instances real quick, but that's how it would work, for example.

[Cruba]

Just in the morning? My english sucks at any time of day (and night!)
lol... Everything fine!

[ontrackp]

Wouldn't it be more pure to the spirit of this synth to limit the compositions to using only single voice mono tracks? (just starting the conversation, I don't necessarily agree!)

I am not understanding the idea.

Single voice?
So even though the synth has 2 OSCs and a sub OSC we should only use one OSC per track?
I mean I consider what the OSCs are doing as part of the single combined OSC sound the mono synth produces. I can only get one sound at a time out of the synth.

With the layering(for me) it is just an easier way to play several monos at the same time, it is not making the synth suddenly polyphonic.

I don't understand.

Sorry, I was not clear. The output of the synth is mono, so I was suggesting that it only be used for monophonic parts -- in other words, no chords on one recorded track as the synth is not capable of outputting chords. If you want to build up chords by playing multiple tracks that would be fair -- similar to how a brass section in an orchestra will play a chord by having 3 players play notes at the same time. In this case you would record the three notes one at a time onto different tracks to build up the section. That's how I will do it if I participate this month. Unfortunately I am very busy with work and may not have time.