Do all DAWs suck?
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240 - KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
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do_androids_dream do_androids_dream https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=164034 - KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
I'm not saying the OP is but.. you have to get over fetishizing or worshipping a DAW. It's just a tool - just pick one and get used to it enough so you can achieve your music and work fast. Every DAW will need a workaround or two - it's unavoidable so just pick one that's pretty close to what you want and get to know it really well. It's familiarity that gets you there - not 'intuitive interface' etc. - just plain old repetition of tasks.
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- KVRist
- 329 posts since 13 Nov, 2013 from Charlotte, North Carolina
It's not that all DAWs suck. The DAWs being discussed here are all up to the task. What made a difference for me was learning how to devise a workflow that works with my brain. You can create, mix, and master great music with any of the popular DAWs using only the stock plugins and instruments. Features are not the issue either because constraints actually enhance creativity.
What does happen though is each DAW we try creates discomfort when we start using it. That discomfort is a good thing because it's going to rewire (or create new circuits in) your brain. And that's good for creativity.
It's hard work but fun work! Just allow your desire to create music exceed your discomfort.
What does happen though is each DAW we try creates discomfort when we start using it. That discomfort is a good thing because it's going to rewire (or create new circuits in) your brain. And that's good for creativity.
It's hard work but fun work! Just allow your desire to create music exceed your discomfort.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 23 May, 2017
Wow, just one day and I cannot even keep up with this thread... have to read it all when I got more time.
Although just quickly reading through page one I guess some people missed my point, others didn't.
Yes, most DAWs are bloated to no end while missing essential features on the other hand. BTW: My system is high end, my RME is set to 1024 samples. Most computers and DAWs won't be able to play what I expect to play.
It's just - I stopped making music more than a decade ago. As a graphics designer I kept up with the development of computers and one fine day last year I thought: Man, computers developed so much, multi track VSTs will make a modern CPU idle around. Oh boy I was wrong.
Yes, I've made full tracks, quite a few. Yes I can freeze and I do it occasionally. Yes I use send fx. Yes I toggle my plugs between realtime and full quality.
No, I'm not looking for an excuse. I'm looking for a DAW that doesn't suck. Something that just works. Isn't that what Apple Fanboys always say? "It just works"? (A lie). But yeah, that's what I want, I don't wanna fiddle around with tech crap.
Get hardware they said. Get rich or die tryin they said. I think hardware sucks more. It's for people who like to play with that stuff in a technical way. Look at the modular synths those guys buy. You cannot tell me they buy it solely for the sound of it.
Although just quickly reading through page one I guess some people missed my point, others didn't.
Yes, most DAWs are bloated to no end while missing essential features on the other hand. BTW: My system is high end, my RME is set to 1024 samples. Most computers and DAWs won't be able to play what I expect to play.
It's just - I stopped making music more than a decade ago. As a graphics designer I kept up with the development of computers and one fine day last year I thought: Man, computers developed so much, multi track VSTs will make a modern CPU idle around. Oh boy I was wrong.
Yes, I've made full tracks, quite a few. Yes I can freeze and I do it occasionally. Yes I use send fx. Yes I toggle my plugs between realtime and full quality.
No, I'm not looking for an excuse. I'm looking for a DAW that doesn't suck. Something that just works. Isn't that what Apple Fanboys always say? "It just works"? (A lie). But yeah, that's what I want, I don't wanna fiddle around with tech crap.
Get hardware they said. Get rich or die tryin they said. I think hardware sucks more. It's for people who like to play with that stuff in a technical way. Look at the modular synths those guys buy. You cannot tell me they buy it solely for the sound of it.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 23 May, 2017
Freaking Sonar... someone said it, you cannot even keep up with the updates.
Then what? I turn on my MIDI keyboard, all track's Instrument output ports shifted up by one Instrument. Each instrument now has the wrong track. I google it - someone reported it month ago. Fix? Nope.
I toggle Mute on one track: Short Audio dropout (no a real one, just a short pause). I toogle a send - same thing happens. WTF? Really? You call that good?
Then what? I turn on my MIDI keyboard, all track's Instrument output ports shifted up by one Instrument. Each instrument now has the wrong track. I google it - someone reported it month ago. Fix? Nope.
I toggle Mute on one track: Short Audio dropout (no a real one, just a short pause). I toogle a send - same thing happens. WTF? Really? You call that good?
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neverwhere2410 neverwhere2410 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=371575
- KVRist
- 103 posts since 23 Dec, 2015
Your big complaint in the original post was latency is horrible, then you said you set your buffer on your audio interface to 1024. I don't think you understand how buffers work...
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 23 May, 2017
How about Vienna Ensemble? Get a fckin xeon or whatever. Maybe two. Will it suck less?Orbit-50 wrote:Therin lies your problem. If you want to use shitloads of stuff you have to go to audio unless you have the money to afford a NASA computer. Every DAW works just fine. You just have to be more resourceful if you want miracles to happen.hollyWorse wrote:I'm hardly doing audio, but a sh*tload of Softsynths and plugins in every project.
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- KVRAF
- 11349 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC
After reading your first post and this post, it seems more like you want them to work the way you think they should work.hollyWorse wrote:Wow, just one day and I cannot even keep up with this thread... have to read it all when I got more time.
Although just quickly reading through page one I guess some people missed my point, others didn't.
Yes, most DAWs are bloated to no end while missing essential features on the other hand. BTW: My system is high end, my RME is set to 1024 samples. Most computers and DAWs won't be able to play what I expect to play.
It's just - I stopped making music more than a decade ago. As a graphics designer I kept up with the development of computers and one fine day last year I thought: Man, computers developed so much, multi track VSTs will make a modern CPU idle around. Oh boy I was wrong.
Yes, I've made full tracks, quite a few. Yes I can freeze and I do it occasionally. Yes I use send fx. Yes I toggle my plugs between realtime and full quality.
No, I'm not looking for an excuse. I'm looking for a DAW that doesn't suck. Something that just works. Isn't that what Apple Fanboys always say? "It just works"? (A lie). But yeah, that's what I want, I don't wanna fiddle around with tech crap.
Get hardware they said. Get rich or die tryin they said. I think hardware sucks more. It's for people who like to play with that stuff in a technical way. Look at the modular synths those guys buy. You cannot tell me they buy it solely for the sound of it.
An easier approach is *learn* how to use your DAW.
As someone who has at times bounced back and forth between Pro Tools, Logic, Reaper and Live, in addition to working in Final Cut, Motion, Adobe Premier, After Affects in addition to working various audio editors, samplers, etc... They are all different and the only thing that makes it difficult to work with these programs is an expectation that they should do something they were not designed to do.
As others have sad "workflow" is the key. Develop a workflow inclusive of working with or around a DAWs limitations and it will work.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 23 May, 2017
You're mistaking my low ability to express what I mean with my understanding of the tech I use. I hope you didn't do it on purpose.neverwhere2410 wrote:Your big complaint in the original post was latency is horrible, then you said you set your buffer on your audio interface to 1024. I don't think you understand how buffers work...
I was talking about that e.g. Reaper dropped out WAAAYY before Sonar did measured on the amount of Synths I could use.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 23 May, 2017
You're correct, almost. If we ignore the part about bugs. But we can, it's ok.elxsound wrote: After reading your first post and this post, it seems more like you want them to work the way you think they should work.
I think what I expect is a tool to make music in realtime using a ton of softynths and plugins. A DAW isn't that tool. A DAW is made for multitrack recording audio. For tracking e.g. a real band and mixing it.
But what tool is there as alternative? None? Yep.