AAS Tassman 4 is no more, v5 will never arrive

[Krakatau]

As I noted in the other Tassman thread, I appreciate that they were honest about it (from their FAQ):

"Tassman 4 has been our biggest endeavour, filled with good and bad design decisions but ultimately, we failed to make it evolve."

+1

[dayjob]

Such negativity. AAS has still good products and one of the best customer support in the business imho

yeah.. but i don't need/want any of them. ditching tassman, while sort of understandable (they let it go for 10 years) is sort of like ditching an old exquisite car that just needs a motor rebuild but you can't get it done because the tools to take it apart are not metric or (US) standard and you can't find the tool set that came w/the car so you just throw the whole thing in the junkyard..

or something...

but whatever.. there's other environments to work in to build things and make sounds. will miss the physical modeling mojo in tassman once it becomes incompatible. guess i'll hack through the lousy builder window if the urge strikes me.

[ATS]

Such negativity. AAS has still good products and one of the best customer support in the business imho

so true

[JonSolo]

AAS is a great company with great products. Even Tassman 4, as bad as it looks, works just fine. I do hope their new endeavors give us a taste of a "Tassman".

[dangayle]

Such negativity. AAS has still good products and one of the best customer support in the business imho

yeah.. but i don't need/want any of them. ditching tassman, while sort of understandable (they let it go for 10 years) is sort of like ditching an old exquisite car that just needs a motor rebuild but you can't get it done because the tools to take it apart are not metric or (US) standard and you can't find the tool set that came w/the car so you just throw the whole thing in the junkyard..

or something...

but whatever.. there's other environments to work in to build things and make sounds. will miss the physical modeling mojo in tassman once it becomes incompatible. guess i'll hack through the lousy builder window if the urge strikes me.

It’s not at all like someone lost their metric socket set. It’s more along the lines of “Let’s make a 2018 Dodge Charger out of 1969 Dodge Charger parts. Oh, and you have to pass California emissions.”

You’re asking them to take old code, good for it’s time, and magically update it to make it fully modern. In reality, their Dodge Charger is like Uncle Steve’s project car that is held together with bailing wire and bondo. It was once awesome, and still sounds great when you rev the engine, but you know that it’s not worth the time and money to restore it.

[dayjob]

Such negativity. AAS has still good products and one of the best customer support in the business imho

yeah.. but i don't need/want any of them. ditching tassman, while sort of understandable (they let it go for 10 years) is sort of like ditching an old exquisite car that just needs a motor rebuild but you can't get it done because the tools to take it apart are not metric or (US) standard and you can't find the tool set that came w/the car so you just throw the whole thing in the junkyard..

or something...

but whatever.. there's other environments to work in to build things and make sounds. will miss the physical modeling mojo in tassman once it becomes incompatible. guess i'll hack through the lousy builder window if the urge strikes me.

It’s not at all like someone lost their metric socket set. It’s more along the lines of “Let’s make a 2018 Dodge Charger out of 1969 Dodge Charger parts. Oh, and you have to pass California emissions.”

You’re asking them to take old code, good for it’s time, and magically update it to make it fully modern. In reality, their Dodge Charger is like Uncle Steve’s project car that is held together with bailing wire and bondo. It was once awesome, and still sounds great when you rev the engine, but you know that it’s not worth the time and money to restore it.

your analogy is better.

i'd settle for putting in shoulder harness seat belts and disc brakes from a cadillac.

really.. if they updated the builder window cabling behavior and messed w/the UI a bit and made it compatible with current Operating Systems that'd be enough.. just make it easier to use.

but it is what it is. i've been learning other environments for the last couple months so though it will be a bummer when tassman no longer works i'm confident there will be replacements in those environments i can cludge together.

i'm not actively hating on AAS it's just that i'm indifferent to their output. the thing i'd hoped for is gone so the rest isn't relevant to me.

[Harry_HH]

AAS is a great company with great products. Even Tassman 4, as bad as it looks, works just fine. I do hope their new endeavors give us a taste of a "Tassman".

+1
I wish the AAS manages to create a (new) innovative steady-seller, I own all their products except the Objeq Delay and Tassman, including a half dozen soundbanks. One of the most positive developer in the market, but you don´t live (only) with the positivity and good products, you need sales.

[ghettosynth]

Such negativity. AAS has still good products and one of the best customer support in the business imho

yeah.. but i don't need/want any of them. ditching tassman, while sort of understandable (they let it go for 10 years) is sort of like ditching an old exquisite car that just needs a motor rebuild but you can't get it done because the tools to take it apart are not metric or (US) standard and you can't find the tool set that came w/the car so you just throw the whole thing in the junkyard..

or something...

but whatever.. there's other environments to work in to build things and make sounds. will miss the physical modeling mojo in tassman once it becomes incompatible. guess i'll hack through the lousy builder window if the urge strikes me.

It’s not at all like someone lost their metric socket set. It’s more along the lines of “Let’s make a 2018 Dodge Charger out of 1969 Dodge Charger parts. Oh, and you have to pass California emissions.”

You’re asking them to take old code, good for it’s time, and magically update it to make it fully modern. In reality, their Dodge Charger is like Uncle Steve’s project car that is held together with bailing wire and bondo. It was once awesome, and still sounds great when you rev the engine, but you know that it’s not worth the time and money to restore it.

They've had 10+ years to evolve their software to keep up with the times. They don't get a pass on judgement because they've failed to do what others have managed to accomplish.

[Michael L]

According to their FAQ a big factor is changes in two years with OSX 10.15. Now Tassman uses a bit bridge but when Apple drops 32-bit entirely at the chip level (to merge ios and macos) they will need to rewrite Tassman, so it would be more efficient if they just start over with perhaps a desktop/mobile version. I am not a developer so I don't know if they could have anticipated this evolution. I am only disappointed as a customer because after many years of promises that this truly outstanding synth would be last in the queue and be updated this year... they drop it.

[Jace-BeOS]

They're not merging Mac OS and iOS. The change of dropping 32-bit is just another example of Apple deprecating older code and APIs. They've always done this.

But thanks for pointing out that Tassman is using a bitbridge. I wasn't aware that was their solution. I should've guessed it, though.

I agree with your sense of disapproval of AAS failing to anticipate this needed redevelopment in the ten+ years they've had their own code to work with...

[nichttuntun]

Tassman4 is still a great sounding system no matter how old the code is. But the biggest letdown is the Filter-bug they never corrected. I do understand that they stopped further development but I have not so much understanding for not patching a brutal obvious and 100% annoying bug over some years...consider the original price of 400!!!

I don´t need the physical modeling modules included there. I use KAIVO and CHROMAPHONE 2. Tassman4 is still pretty well good as a vintage sound drum-machine and it makes great and crazy arp-sequences if you like that kind of stuff.

[HunterKiller]

Are they aware of the bug?

[nichttuntun]

I wrote them long time ago but they response that there will be no fix or further updates.

You can still do pretty much with this machine and I am astonished how good it sounds although the code is so old. Concerning the bug. If you crank up the resonance strongly and then push up the filter frequency it breaks the sound. I read about this before buying but I thought this bug would have been fixed in a synth so long existing

[felis]

Such negativity. AAS has still good products and one of the best customer support in the business imho

yeah.. but i don't need/want any of them. ditching tassman, while sort of understandable (they let it go for 10 years) is sort of like ditching an old exquisite car that just needs a motor rebuild but you can't get it done because the tools to take it apart are not metric or (US) standard and you can't find the tool set that came w/the car so you just throw the whole thing in the junkyard..

or something...

but whatever.. there's other environments to work in to build things and make sounds. will miss the physical modeling mojo in tassman once it becomes incompatible. guess i'll hack through the lousy builder window if the urge strikes me.

It’s not at all like someone lost their metric socket set. It’s more along the lines of “Let’s make a 2018 Dodge Charger out of 1969 Dodge Charger parts. Oh, and you have to pass California emissions.”

You’re asking them to take old code, good for it’s time, and magically update it to make it fully modern. In reality, their Dodge Charger is like Uncle Steve’s project car that is held together with bailing wire and bondo. It was once awesome, and still sounds great when you rev the engine, but you know that it’s not worth the time and money to restore it.

They've had 10+ years to evolve their software to keep up with the times. They don't get a pass on judgement because they've failed to do what others have managed to accomplish.

We paid for Uncle Steve's project car. Shouldn't we have some say in whether it's worth more time and money to restore it?

I'm not a programmer, but find it difficult to believe that they couldn't have updated/modernized it with a bit of effort.
It's not like the original programmers all up and died or something (I don't think so anyways).

I like AAS's stuff and have a fair amount of it, but abandoning Tassman is a definite disappointment.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Maybe they cant be arsed and have moved on