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Guenon · Post by **Guenon** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:29 am

whyterabbyt wrote:You werent expecting naysaying based on the actual state of modern AI technologies, were you?

(I always enjoy your piercing to-the-point comments. No sarcasm here, I really do.)

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:03 pm

(Cheers!)

Coincientally to this thread, here's an excerpt from a paper that got a bit of interest elsewhere today, about the unexpected behaviours that a-life type systems have thrown up.

In 1999 Bentley was approached by a group of musicians and developers who wanted to generate novel
music through digital evolution. Dance music was popular at the time, so the team aimed to evolve novel
dance tracks. They set different collections of number-one dance hits as targets, i.e. an evolving track
would be scored higher the more it resembled the targets. The evolved results, 8-bar music samples, were
evaluated by a musician who selected the ones to be combined into an overall piece, which was then
professionally produced according to the evolved music score. The results were surprisingly good: the
evolved tracks incorporated complex drum rhythms with interesting accompanying melodies and bass lines.
Using bands such as The Prodigy as targets, digital evolution was able to produce intricate novel dance
tracks with clear stylistic resemblance.
In 2000 the group formed a record label named J13 Records. A highly specialized distribution contract
was drawn up and signed with Universal Music, stipulating that the true source of the music should not be
revealed, even to the distributors (because Universal Music’s CEO believed that no-one would want to buy
computer-generated music). Sworn to secrecy, the companies produced several dance tracks together, some of which were then taken by other music producers and remixed. Some of the music was successful in dance clubs, with the clubgoers having no idea that key pieces of the tracks they were dancing to were
authored by computers.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:25 pm

I tend to see those in denial as the ones that will be yelling get off my lawn in 20 years when the world pops into existence around them. I know because I've been there. My guess Disney already has software that they give parameters to and it generates it's own thematic music, and within 5 years there will be software that is commercially available that mines the data for what your costumers like and throws out commercial music.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:30 pm

so skynet will be writing the end credits for the human race and the nanobots in the chemtrails will reprogram us to enjoy coldplay

think id prefer extermination.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:34 pm

vurt wrote:so skynet will be writing the end credits for the human race and the nanobots in the chemtrails will reprogram us to enjoy coldplay

C'mon, its artificial intelligence, not artificial cruelty.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:38 pm

http://www.aiva.ai/

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:42 pm

More and more I realize how time is ACTUALLY moving faster, and change happens faster then you ever expected. Comes with age I guess.

https://soundcloud.com/user-95265362/sets/genesis

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:49 pm

...and just like that, 50 of them propagate.

https://www.ampermusic.com/

https://www.orb-composer.com/

https://www.jukedeck.com/

http://www.hexachords.com/

.... and on and on and on.... Just so you know, your world is... even now, as I type this, being manipulated and controlled by AI.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:03 pm

So is the OP happy with the answers?

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Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:24 pm

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Timfonie · Post by **Timfonie** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:40 pm

Cinebient wrote:So is the OP happy with the answers?
vs.
Or + =

Well, there are some interesting reactions. Thanks to everyone who shared their thoughts on it.
On the one hand I agree with people who feel music will always be a form human expression. If humans can't express themselves they won't find much meaning in the music. At the same time music listeners may not sympathize (and therefore not enjoy) very much if they know the music isn't made thru human creativity and emotions.

On the other hand however AI can improve on itself all the time, learning from 'audience responses' until it reaches a level of maturity that will evoke emotions in us like presently only human musicians can. Only when we will realize there's hardly any human input to it, we may feel confounded.

Because I expect the power and complexity of AI to raise to great hights, I also expect an increased popularity of well performing live musicians in the future. They simply can't be mimicked by AI so there's no doubt it is human expression.
At the same time certain interactive combinations of humans and AI may gain a special status of appreciation.

To summarize in emoticons:

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vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:51 pm

if my sexbot cant serenade me, then i do not want one.

mcbpete · Post by **mcbpete** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:26 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:(Cheers!)

Coincientally to this thread, here's an excerpt from a paper that got a bit of interest elsewhere today, about the unexpected behaviours that a-life type systems have thrown up.

In 1999 Bentley was approached by a group of musicians and developers who wanted to generate novel
music through digital evolution. Dance music was popular at the time, so the team aimed to evolve novel
dance tracks. They set different collections of number-one dance hits as targets, i.e. an evolving track
would be scored higher the more it resembled the targets. The evolved results, 8-bar music samples, were
evaluated by a musician who selected the ones to be combined into an overall piece, which was then
professionally produced according to the evolved music score. The results were surprisingly good: the
evolved tracks incorporated complex drum rhythms with interesting accompanying melodies and bass lines.
Using bands such as The Prodigy as targets, digital evolution was able to produce intricate novel dance
tracks with clear stylistic resemblance.
In 2000 the group formed a record label named J13 Records. A highly specialized distribution contract
was drawn up and signed with Universal Music, stipulating that the true source of the music should not be
revealed, even to the distributors (because Universal Music’s CEO believed that no-one would want to buy
computer-generated music). Sworn to secrecy, the companies produced several dance tracks together, some of which were then taken by other music producers and remixed. Some of the music was successful in dance clubs, with the clubgoers having no idea that key pieces of the tracks they were dancing to were
authored by computers.

Woah, did this really happen ?! Tried looking up J13 Records to find more details and the only thing I can see mentioned is the name of the owner: https://www.bizseek.co.uk/j13-records-limited

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:33 pm

mcbpete wrote:Woah, did this really happen ?! Tried looking up J13 Records to find more details and the only thing I can see mentioned is the name of the owner: https://www.bizseek.co.uk/j13-records-limited

Looks like it. Ive found other references to it eg in the book "The Genie in the Machine"

https://prabook.com/web/peter_john.bentley/534760

Synthman2000 · Post by **Synthman2000** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:41 pm

Anyone who truly appreciates music knows AI music is dead, both actually and figuratively. It has no future because it has no past it comes from a place of zero experiences. Maybe for some that is the unique and interesting aspect, for me it comes from and empty place (not even empty because that place does not even exist), nothing and nowhere which is the opposite of human musical endeavour.

Music and its interdependence with emotion and other human factors means it is infinitely complex as it is an interaction between the creator and the listener. But that infinite complexity is relative to human experiences/memory/futures/lives/times/moments/people/places and probably 10's of other factors that are traits of human brain activity/auditory experience/consciousness.

Without consciousness in creation and consumption the true power of music is non existent.

A cave man and woman singing, making rudimentary rhythms from hand made instruments in a cave reverb is a million times more interesting and valuable than AI music.

AI music is as much use as jeans made from blue tissue paper.

How will smart software (artificial intelligence) influence the perception and creation of music?