KVR Audio

Red_Force · Post by **Red_Force** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:18 am

Ah well, this can happend. Don't worry thus, this is usually solved in the 24. Anyway, it's a good way to check out the support

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:56 am

suthnear wrote:I would definitely pay for a QF hardcore version.

I'd prefer to pay for a Quadfrohmage update to have all the different filter types in one plugin, so that you can combine them like hardcore!

Btw., Re: the Antares Filter. It's not true that it needs the stepsequencer to trigger the envelopes. They can be triggered or gated by MIDI notes directly. No triggers derived from the audio signal though, yes.
I personally did like the sound of Antares Filter a lot, and it's the most easy to program! Yet it is kind of a one trick pony, more for animating and colouring the sound, not really for creating sounds.
But then, who cares? Quadfrohmage is the original, the most versatile, and it comes from the by far cooler company...

Red_Force · Post by **Red_Force** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:07 am

I'd prefer to pay for a Quadfrohmage update to have all the different filter types in one plugin, so that you can combine them like hardcore!

Well of course this is the natural choice, but there are some cons. First it would severely change the GUI, because you don't double the number of filter available without adding some switch. Not only would it be extra long, but it would turn what is something allready complexe into a space shuttle panel.

Second, the idea of preset compatibility is cool. You can just use the same bank of preset, but it will sound differently. It would be a perfect illustration of what different character can bring to the sound, and probably fun to play with.

Btw., Re: the Antares Filter. It's not true that it needs the stepsequencer to trigger the envelopes. They can be triggered or gated by MIDI notes directly.

Actually that's what I meant (if you read my post in detail I mention AF ability to do MIDI driven filtering). I say it needs the gate pattern because as for QF using Midi to trigger signal is something you don't see at the first glance. So without the gate pattern most user testing the demo would simply not have been able to trigger any ADSR which IMHO is cheap...

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:54 pm

Red_Force wrote:Not only would it be extra long, but it would turn what is something allready complexe into a space shuttle panel.

It already looks like a space shuttle panel!!!

Forever,

Kim.

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:13 pm

Jeez wrote:
Red_Force wrote:Not only would it be extra long, but it would turn what is something allready complexe into a space shuttle panel.
It already looks like a space shuttle panel!!!

My thought exactly! But a fantastic looking merge of a 1950's and a 1970's space shuttle....
I guess the addition of four filter set select switches wouldn't make that much difference.
I do understand though about the extra work involved in changing the GUI.

The preset compatibility is a great concept indeed, but could as well be accomplished by adding a "snap isolate" function. Very elegant solution!

suthnear · Post by **suthnear** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:13 am

dr.wackler wrote:I guess the addition of four filter set select switches wouldn't make that much difference.
I do understand though about the extra work involved in changing the GUI.

Don't need to change the GUI at all. All the classic filter types have two "flavour" (standard and SVF) buttons and a slope steepness select parameter just under the filter select boxes:

All but the moog... This becomes 'classic' or 'vintage type' and you can spread the parameters among the eight possible combos of these switches

And you don't even have to worry about the compatibility because the existing QF plug will only look to set the moog switch on or off and this is the same as vintage[0] for the HC version

hehehehe

default · Post by **default** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:46 am

I have fromage (the free down load and it is really fun and capable of allowing lots of cool effects. so I would assume that that the moneyed version of their work is good , dont know!

the antares filter seems very, very cool. the demo from the site is spanking the plank! it got a very good review in....ah... I imagine turn it lose on some vocals with the rythm generators tweeking along. try the down load?

www.antarestech.com/products/filter.html
good luck

Timbre · Post by **Timbre** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:29 am

I think there should be one more feature in the OhmForce plugins : a panel, window or view where the user can see a source-destination of all ADSR & LFO connections. Very handy for instant overview management of the modulations.

Timbre · Post by **Timbre** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:32 am

Is Ohmforce planning a Compressor / Limiter / Maximizer thingy by any chance ?

Red_Force · Post by **Red_Force** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:15 pm

The preset compatibility is a great concept indeed, but could as well be accomplished by adding a "snap isolate" function. Very elegant solution!

Uh dear Doctor, could you explain me that further ? I don't get it.

Just to make sure everyone's get it, we're not speaking about adding just one moog or one Oddity filter. The idea is more like 30 different filters and different distosion scheme. Just adding an "hardcore" switch doesn't turn us on as we feel it would be to small visually for people to immediately see the importance of it. Plus there are some technical problems (room to find in the skins - not easy at all ; number of parameter that would change... this one is very anoying because it means it wouldn't load correctly the current presets for instance, nor work in your song... yes, someone we can't really afford to do !)

Rather than that we think about making a hardcore version of the skins.

I think there should be one more feature in the OhmForce plugins : a panel, window or view where the user can see a source-destination of all ADSR & LFO connections. Very handy for instant overview management of the modulations.

Yes, this is something that is constantly discussed here. But is not as simple as you may think... To be useful, this panel would have to give some clue about the modulation parameters - because there is one modulator per parameter, so you can't just display "LFO1" or "ADSR2". If it's done via text (Attack value...Period value), that's a lot of text, and not very readable. If it's done via knob, or oscillo display, it leads to a technical problem as there can be up to 45 modulated parameter, so we would need a scroll box... for graphical elements... complicated stuff.
All in all the current system, where a green light is displayed when a parameter is selected is the best compromise we have found for now.

Is Ohmforce planning a Compressor / Limiter / Maximizer thingy by any chance ?

Sort off. We are planning to make a stereo in version with a non disto mode of the predatohm, because it would make a killer Compressor/Expander. As for limiter/maximize, can happen, but nothing's sure.

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:30 pm

Seriously, I'm pretty sure I'll be buying the Hardcore QF!

More filters and more distortions!!!

Forever,

Kim.

suthnear · Post by **suthnear** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:03 pm

Red_Force wrote:Just to make sure everyone's get it, we're not speaking about adding just one moog or one Oddity filter. The idea is more like 30 different filters and different distosion scheme.

Fantastiche...

Red_Force wrote:Sort off. We are planning to make a stereo in version with a non disto mode of the predatohm, because it would make a killer Compressor/Expander.

Excellent - the lack of stereo is the only small black mark I would make against the otherwise entirely excellent predatohm...

Ohmforce for presidents.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:22 pm

Its not very complex, but I love the FilterONE freebie and the BCheese is also a great lil filter to work with. I've not tried any of the Ohmboyz stuff... they just seem a bit expensive to me... I don't like their GUI's either - far too convoluted for my tastes.

TheWall · Post by **TheWall** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:29 pm

Red_Force wrote:
Just to make sure everyone's get it, we're not speaking about adding just one moog or one Oddity filter. The idea is more like 30 different filters and different distosion scheme. Just adding an "hardcore" switch doesn't turn us on as we feel it would be to small visually for people to immediately see the importance of it. Plus there are some technical problems (room to find in the skins - not easy at all ; number of parameter that would change... this one is very anoying because it means it wouldn't load correctly the current presets for instance, nor work in your song... yes, someone we can't really afford to do !)

Red, are you saying you'll be releasing another filter plugin? wow! QF already rules(love the funky skin to death too), can't wait for the new one.

Red_Force · Post by **Red_Force** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:30 pm

Well, not a completely different - just the same olf Quad Frohmage but sounding... nastyer

Filerbank: Quad-Frohmage or Antares Filer?