Apple announces new Mac Mini, Air + 13" MBP featuring their own M1 chip.

[Etienne1973]

Are you stressed to buy a new machine? If yes, buy a Mac mini (Late 2012) i7 quad core for using next 2-4 years. Around $400 second hand.

[Double Tap]

So, "3 times faster" translates to: "In case you're lucky and use the most optimized plugins coming with Logic, you may perhaps experience 3 times the speed of our previous generation's slowest models". And even their very own website only shows 1.8 x the speed for a plugin they have chosen.

This is the problem with their marketing approach. I've seen some people suggesting that 3 times faster would put it around the range of a i5 10600 or a i9 10900. That would definitely tempt me back to a Mac for the first time in about 20 years, because suddenly a Mac Mini would be a cheaper option than an equivalent PC

To be honest, even if it's just mid-range 10th gen then that would still be pretty persuasive because the 16GB Mini would be in the same ballpark as a PC, but without the heat issues of small form factor PCs.

But I just don't trust a word they say when they're so opaque about what they're comparing.

[Sascha Franck]

Are you stressed to buy a new machine? If yes, buy a Mac mini (Late 2012) i7 quad core for using next 2-4 years. Around $400 second hand.

I'm not stressed at all. At least not now. But there's still the (few) intelligent parts of my brain telling me I should try to depart with Apple one day - which would need some organisation beforehand (over 20 years of using Logic are leaving quite some traces...). Alternatively, I could continue using Macs, which I would actually prefer, but in that case they'd rather offer something affordable to replace my cheesegrater Mac Pro. I had sort of hopes something such as the M1 Mini could be that - but all too apparently, it isn't.

[Passing Bye]

Alternatively, I could continue using Macs, which I would actually prefer, but in that case they'd rather offer something affordable to replace my cheesegrater Mac Pro. I had sort of hopes something such as the M1 Mini could be that - but all too apparently, it isn't.

Which old Mac Pro you have?

[Passing Bye]

I've seen some people suggesting that 3 times faster would put it around the range of a i5 10600 or a i9 10900. That would definitely tempt me back to a Mac for the first time in about 20 years, because suddenly a Mac Mini would be a cheaper option than an equivalent PC

To be honest, even if it's just mid-range 10th gen then that would still be pretty persuasive because the 16GB Mini would be in the same ballpark as a PC, but without the heat issues of small form factor PCs.

But I just don't trust a word they say when they're so opaque about what they're comparing.

In the same boat, actually I can't max out 8GB in my most demanding projects and I have 50% of space left on my 120GB SSD, so 700 bucks base model is good enough for me, I was waiting to see what they will come up with and put my Ryzen 5 3600 build purchase on hold, gonna wait to see first results, if it's performing similar, than I'm sold, also wasn't planning to go thunderbolt, because build get more expensive (pricier mobo and add on PCIe card), but this could just make more sense to do so.

[Sascha Franck]

Which old Mac Pro you have?

2x2.66 12-core 5.1 (2010).

[AnX]

I heard on the TV this morning that the new chip limits ram to 16gig (maybe just laptop version)

true?

[Double Tap]

I've seen some people suggesting that 3 times faster would put it around the range of a i5 10600 or a i9 10900. That would definitely tempt me back to a Mac for the first time in about 20 years, because suddenly a Mac Mini would be a cheaper option than an equivalent PC

To be honest, even if it's just mid-range 10th gen then that would still be pretty persuasive because the 16GB Mini would be in the same ballpark as a PC, but without the heat issues of small form factor PCs.

But I just don't trust a word they say when they're so opaque about what they're comparing.

In the same boat, actually I can't max out 8GB in my most demanding projects and I have 50% of space left on my 120GB SSD, so 700 bucks base model is good enough for me, I was waiting to see what they will come up with and put my Ryzen 5 3600 build purchase on hold, gonna wait to see first results, if it's performing similar, than I'm sold, also wasn't planning to go thunderbolt, because build get more expensive (pricier mobo and add on PCIe card), but this could just make more sense to do so.

Hugely impressed with your discipline there. I've managed to almost fully inflate my 250gb with GAS already.

[Sascha Franck]

I heard on the TV this morning that the new chip limits ram to 16gig (maybe just laptop version)

true?

At least for the M1 CPUs that seems to be true, given that you can't update the RAM on the Mac Mini, either.

[Etienne1973]

M1 integrates super fast 16GB RAM max.

[Etienne1973]

... given that you can't update the RAM on the Mac Mini, either.

AFAIK It's possible with the Mac mini Late 2012 and 2018. Mac mini Late 2014 is pretty lame performance wise and you can't upgrade RAM yourself.

[dellboy]

The ram is built into the M1 chip, its "unified" architecture, so it is not upgrade-able.

My 2018 Mac Mini on the other hand has separate ram and can be upgraded to 64 GB although you void the warranty.

[jdnz]

M1 integrates super fast 16GB RAM max.

I totally expect the 'pro' mac cpus to go back to off-chip RAM - as it's the only way they're going to be able to offer the amounts of ram people expect on a mac pro. Upside of this is the space freed on the chip will allow more cores which is another requirement

obviously the 'pro' cpu would go in the mac pro / imac pro - million dollar question is will they use the pro cpu in the next 16" macbook pro ( macbook pro pro?) or stick with the limited ram of the m1 (since again the 16" sells a lot of voulme in 32gb+ configs)

[Sascha Franck]

obviously the 'pro' cpu would go in the mac pro / imac pro - million dollar question is will they use the pro cpu in the next 16" macbook pro ( macbook pro pro?) or stick with the limited ram of the m1 (since again the 16" sells a lot of voulme in 32gb+ configs)

They may as well have some M2 CPU in the pipeline, featuring more onboard RAM. And maybe you could as well get dual M2 models for the desktop machines.

[Markus Krause]

I think i have read that it ordinary DDR4 Ram what is used for the new Mac.
preventing the users from upgrading it for themselves will bring additional money for Apple, since it forces the users to buy the overpriced 'pro' product.
the sames goes for the 256 Gb SSD which is way too small