What is the best "Closed-Back Studio Reference Headphones"?

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For tracking, I have Sony MDR-7506 and ATH-40X. I got both as they are reasonably priced and used as workhorses in many studios. Due to the use /abuse headphones can get in studios, the inexpensive price, longevity as an available model option and durability are surely factors for their popularity.

The ATH-40X headphones are a step down from the ATH-50X, but still very good for me. Another plus for them versus others I have is the cord is detachable which is often the first thing to break, so it can be replaced if needed. Two cords (one coiled and one straight) come with it that have the smaller plug stereo tip and the screw-on larger adapter tip. I also got a storage pouch with it. They seemed to have a good balanced sound overall with a small boost in the lows and another smaller one in mid high frequencies to my ears.

The Sony’s seem to also have a small bass boost with a small low mid dip and slight push in the highs to me. Warren Huart did a nice YT vid (Produce like the Pros) on them that should be easy to find and Andrew Scheps is also a big fan of them. In several YT vids, he says he mixes in the box primarily now and only uses them. Andrew and Fab DuPont also did a recent free vid discussing headphones on a pure mix site that is interesting (google search - you may need to register?). In several YTs, Andrew puts into context why he uses Sony MDR-7506 headphones, saying that he got used to them in relation to what happens in a mix and how a mix sounds with most types of speakers then. In essence, he adapted to them over the years. He also adds he doesn’t use any corrective software to flatten the frequency responses. His advice goes along with the “just get use to what you got” train of thought.

That said, I have been trying corrective headphone EQ response plugins as mentioned in an earlier (well said) post here as well, like Sonarworks and DSoniq, with some good results. I also tried virtual room headphone plugins like Waves (NX and Ocean Way Nashville, but didn’t try Abbey Roads which Warren Huart also says sounds realistic to him in another YT vid) and others. I find that the corrective headphone software does make both headphones (and my open back AKG-K240 Studio headphones) more EQ flat, so closer to each other.

Also it is important to consider some other factors, such as that even the same headphone models can have differences, which is why some companies have a calibration service for your specific headphones. Adding to that, there are differences in head shapes, ear sizes and canals, etc that affect sound and fit. All this makes “best” headphone recommendations often more what works best for me and not for someone else. If you can demo headphones at a music store nearby (not always easy to do these days), that may be helpful.

I have read a lot (pro and con) about corrective headphone software. As I said, I am still experimenting with or without it. It seems one common thread is often that the trick seems to be pick one method, though, and get use to it without switching (between headphones or using/not using corrective software) which was also good advice in an earlier post here I believe. So +1 :tu: on that. Good luck! :phones:
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I see a lot of recommending M50X but I don't think it's a good one for mixing. It's bass-heavy and lacks high-end. I found my mixes quite inaccurate when I mixed them with M50X.

Get an open-head headphone for mixing, they are always better than closed-backs (well at least to my experience). I can recommend DT1990 Pro, I love mixing with it.

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I definitely cannot recommend the ath-m50x, imho those are YouTuber headphones. I own them and I like them as listening headphones and used them a lot before I switched to a pair of bluetooth cans for ease of use. They are mid heavy and have little bass representation in the lower registers and a squashed stereo image. They also are on-ears, so I wouldn't recommend them for tracking either. Great for listening to rap music tho :D .

Further, I find it very confusing you jump between wanting to buy 100€ headphones to wanting to buy 2000€ headphones. If you want "the best" headphones money can buy, you don't figure that out on KVR anyway. You go to some recording gear store and listen to all the high priced headphones.

That said, for tracking it really doesn't matter, unless you need to impress some client or something. As long as the vocalist can hear themselves and the track clearly, there is little leakage and the sound quality is good enough to easily get into the flow of things. So yes, the dt-770s are pretty much a great choice for tracking headphones. I'm using dt-880 pros for mixing and besides them being a bit too round for my ears (vs oval), I like them very much. I'll probably add a pair of 770s for tracking vocals.

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Interesting opinions on the m50x. I find them bloated around the upper bass and kinda crisp on top, with sucked out mids. Like any headphones I guess you could learn the sound and use reference tracks for mixing... though I'm not sure I'd want to.
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andymcbain wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:16 pm Interesting opinions on the m50x. I find them bloated around the upper bass and kinda crisp on top, with sucked out mids. Like any headphones I guess you could learn the sound and use reference tracks for mixing... though I'm not sure I'd want to.
I agree. Not a great choice for mixing.

The other poster described the M50X as being as "on-ear." That could mean he's not getting a good seal, which could make them mid-heavy.

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anyone have beyerdynamic DT 700 PRO X? , i have AKG k712pro (Open back), beyerdynamic DT 770 pro and m50x.

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cel4145 wrote: Sat Mar 05, 2022 2:06 am I agree. Not a great choice for mixing.

The other poster described the M50X as being as "on-ear." That could mean he's not getting a good seal, which could make them mid-heavy.
Agree also. I thought it was common knowledge that the 50s (and I think the 40s as well, possibly others in the series) are bass-heavy. Would never consider for mixing or really even for tracking. Not that they are bad cans at all, just there is better for comparable money IMO

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Not closed nor open... +1 for Ollo Audio SX4.

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I've been using the Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro headphones for a while and they sound amazing and are relatively affordable. I see them pretty often in big studios as well.

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I got a pair of Beyerdynamic Custom Studios and I've been happy with them. Supposedly they're basically 770s with a detachable cord and adjustable bass. I haven't tested side by side to confirm the sound similarity, though.

Little harder to find too.

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I'm a fan of the Sennheiser HD650s. A bit pricy but they are a great "3rd set of reference monitors" for me.
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