Cubase - Vst 2 vs 3

[Sindikhate]

Many VST2 plugins work far better in VST2 than VST3 (Acustica for example), the ones that NI recently made VST3 versions of (Kontakt VST3 acts weird) and many others.

For future usage a wrapper is not an issue. The biggest issue is backwards compatibility. Because not only they mess the customers around with removing VST2 completely, but with also removing the e-licenser making the Cubase versions that work with VST2 possibly unusable in the future the way we will see OS being pushed on our machines. So what will happen to all those older projects??


VST should have been open source by now by law.

[chk071]

VST should have been open source by now by law.

Mhm. Which law exactly?

Anyway. Steinberg stated that you can go on using the eLicenser protected software. I think even when they turn off the licensing servers, the software will continue to work. You just won't be able to activate Cubase 5 anymore (a bit exaggerated example, but, you get it).

[Sindikhate]

VST should have been open source by now by law.

Mhm. Which law exactly?

Anyway. Steinberg stated that you can go on using the eLicenser protected software. I think even when they turn off the licensing servers, the software will continue to work. You just won't be able to activate Cubase 5 anymore (a bit exaggerated example, but, you get it).

Antitrust laws regarding monopolies etc. But then they would have to take on other "giants" too for the same reason.

How do you know that the e-licensed Cubase versions will be working with OS that will possibly be forced on your machine in the future? If we take for granted that the usb e-licensers will be able to survive long enough.

[zvenx]

......the ones that NI recently made VST3 versions of (Kontakt VST3 acts weird) and many others.
.....

I am curious how kontakt vst3 acts weird, genuinely asking. I use it daily.. There was an issue I discovered that has been fixed for one developer's contents but how does it act word?

rsp

[zvenx]

VST should have been open source by now by law.

Mhm. Which law exactly?

Anyway. Steinberg stated that you can go on using the eLicenser protected software. I think even when they turn off the licensing servers, the software will continue to work. You just won't be able to activate Cubase 5 anymore (a bit exaggerated example, but, you get it).

Antitrust laws regarding monopolies etc. But then they would have to take on other "giants" too for the same reason.

How is vst a monopoly? there is au, aax etc and what methods are SB using to make vst a monopoly plugin format?
rsp

[chk071]

VST should have been open source by now by law.

Mhm. Which law exactly?

Anyway. Steinberg stated that you can go on using the eLicenser protected software. I think even when they turn off the licensing servers, the software will continue to work. You just won't be able to activate Cubase 5 anymore (a bit exaggerated example, but, you get it).

Antitrust laws regarding monopolies etc. But then they would have to take on other "giants" too for the same reason.

Pretty unlikely. Cubase doesn't have 90% market share, and, it's not that others haven't tried to establish their plugin format.

Not to mention that they will probably laugh their butts off, considering what a small market this is, and how little it makes sense to spend loads of money on a verdict.

[Sindikhate]

VST should have been open source by now by law.

Mhm. Which law exactly?

Anyway. Steinberg stated that you can go on using the eLicenser protected software. I think even when they turn off the licensing servers, the software will continue to work. You just won't be able to activate Cubase 5 anymore (a bit exaggerated example, but, you get it).

Antitrust laws regarding monopolies etc. But then they would have to take on other "giants" too for the same reason.

How is vst a monopoly? there is au, aax etc and what methods are SB using to make vst a monopoly plugin format?
rsp

It is for DAWs that use VST

I hope U-He's and Bitwig's CLAP catches on. I will not be surprised if people who had enough with Steinberg the last years all start developing for that.

[zvenx]

I think NI is slowly moving all their current stuff to vst3... For sure some of the older (discontinued) stuff I don't think will ever be vst3.

rsp

[zvenx]

VST should have been open source by now by law.

Mhm. Which law exactly?

Anyway. Steinberg stated that you can go on using the eLicenser protected software. I think even when they turn off the licensing servers, the software will continue to work. You just won't be able to activate Cubase 5 anymore (a bit exaggerated example, but, you get it).

Antitrust laws regarding monopolies etc. But then they would have to take on other "giants" too for the same reason.

How is vst a monopoly? there is au, aax etc and what methods are SB using to make vst a monopoly plugin format?
rsp

It is for DAWs that use VST

I hope U-He's and Bitwig's CLAP catches on. I will not be surprised if people who had enough with Steinberg the last years all start developing for that.

Isn't Cubendo the only DAW that only uses VST?
rsp

[Sindikhate]

......the ones that NI recently made VST3 versions of (Kontakt VST3 acts weird) and many others.
.....

I am curious how kontakt vst3 acts weird, genuinely asking. I use it daily.. There was an issue I discovered that has been fixed for one developer's contents but how does it act word?

rsp

Kontakt VST3 was causing troubles here... I removed it and all is well.

https://www.google.com/search?client=op ... 8&oe=UTF-8

[Sindikhate]

VST should have been open source by now by law.

Mhm. Which law exactly?

Anyway. Steinberg stated that you can go on using the eLicenser protected software. I think even when they turn off the licensing servers, the software will continue to work. You just won't be able to activate Cubase 5 anymore (a bit exaggerated example, but, you get it).

Antitrust laws regarding monopolies etc. But then they would have to take on other "giants" too for the same reason.

How is vst a monopoly? there is au, aax etc and what methods are SB using to make vst a monopoly plugin format?
rsp

It is for DAWs that use VST

I hope U-He's and Bitwig's CLAP catches on. I will not be surprised if people who had enough with Steinberg the last years all start developing for that.

Isn't Cubendo the only DAW that only uses VST?
rsp

What do people use with Ableton Live, Reaper, Studio One etc etc?

[Sindikhate]

double remove!

[zvenx]

Mhm. Which law exactly?

Anyway. Steinberg stated that you can go on using the eLicenser protected software. I think even when they turn off the licensing servers, the software will continue to work. You just won't be able to activate Cubase 5 anymore (a bit exaggerated example, but, you get it).

Antitrust laws regarding monopolies etc. But then they would have to take on other "giants" too for the same reason.

How is vst a monopoly? there is au, aax etc and what methods are SB using to make vst a monopoly plugin format?
rsp

It is for DAWs that use VST

I hope U-He's and Bitwig's CLAP catches on. I will not be surprised if people who had enough with Steinberg the last years all start developing for that.

Isn't Cubendo the only DAW that only uses VST?
rsp

What do people use with Ableton Live, Reaper, Studio One etc etc?

Ahh I forgot about the PC world .. my bad
but on Mac I think they all also use AU. Either way, SB is not to my knowledge preventing those daws from using other plugin formats.

rsp

[chk071]

Actually, things could be much worse. Imagine Steinberg decides to make ASIO Cubase/Nuendo exclusive.

[zvenx]

Monopoly I tell you !!!



I am not aware of SB forcing any other DAW to use vst or Asio (heck daws running on Apple don't).
rsp