Have you tried Soothe2 ? It's what these others try to imitate (with no succes imo).Sinisterbr wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:05 am Have you already tried DSEQ? I think it's better than Smooth Operator.
What (effect) plug-ins have really impressed you lately?
- KVRAF
- 1844 posts since 3 Jan, 2019 from Holland
The loudness war is over, loudness has won
- KVRAF
- 1844 posts since 3 Jan, 2019 from Holland
Weird. I demoed Claro but it does nothing that Pro-Q3 already does. And Equilibrium is just much better sounding, but i guess the extended settings aren't for everyone.DJErmac wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:11 am Oh, another one : Claro from Sonnox.
https://www.sonnox.com/toolbox/claro
The standard digital EQ page is what counts here : the rest is a bunch of tricks (can be useful, can be stupid).
I can’t explain why, I don’t know how, but this EQ works flawlessly for me.
I’ve stopped using DMG Equilibrium since I own it (and I had stopped using Fabfilter ProQ when I got Equilibrium).
Claro has this "volume compensation" cryptical feature for each band you’re making. And it’s working so well ! If you untick the volume compensation, your equalization becomes dull and lifeless.
I can’t really tell you what’s happening and what this volume compensation is doing, but the fact is that for some reason this plugin is producing magical results for me...
The loudness war is over, loudness has won
- KVRAF
- 2575 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from gone
I never clicked with Soothe. I purchased v1 and v2 because it’s a powerful tool, but something seems wrong to me in the sound. Always sounds like some kind of lossy mp3 compression where applied to my ears, even by tweaking it for hours. Doesn’t sound musical at all to me.dionenoid wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:22 pmHave you tried Soothe2 ? It's what these others try to imitate (with no succes imo).Sinisterbr wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:05 am Have you already tried DSEQ? I think it's better than Smooth Operator.
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- KVRAF
- 3086 posts since 4 May, 2012
Reads like you've got it set on "hard" mode, have the "sharpness" turned up and are driving it too hard. The attack and release have a great impact on how it works as well but the visual feedback is really helpful when it comes to finding the right settings if it isn't so obvious to your ears.DJErmac wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:59 pmI never clicked with Soothe. I purchased v1 and v2 because it’s a powerful tool, but something seems wrong to me in the sound. Always sounds like some kind of lossy mp3 compression where applied to my ears, even by tweaking it for hours. Doesn’t sound musical at all to me.dionenoid wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:22 pmHave you tried Soothe2 ? It's what these others try to imitate (with no succes imo).Sinisterbr wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:05 am Have you already tried DSEQ? I think it's better than Smooth Operator.![]()
It's not the kind of effect that you want to be obvious - unless you are using it as a deliberate effect - so backing off a little, as one might with a reverb return, is probably wise. Don't shoot for too much gain reduction; use the visual display and A/B with the bypass.
I hope that helps a little, if you aren't already doing these things. For me, it's a great audio processor that saves time and complements a lot of other plugins. Of course, there might still be the odd frequency that you need to dial out manually - depends on both the signal and what you are expecting.
- KVRAF
- 2575 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from gone
Thanks a lot for the tips, I’ll try again !Unaspected wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:28 pmReads like you've got it set on "hard" mode, have the "sharpness" turned up and are driving it too hard. The attack and release have a great impact on how it works as well but the visual feedback is really helpful when it comes to finding the right settings if it isn't so obvious to your ears.DJErmac wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:59 pmI never clicked with Soothe. I purchased v1 and v2 because it’s a powerful tool, but something seems wrong to me in the sound. Always sounds like some kind of lossy mp3 compression where applied to my ears, even by tweaking it for hours. Doesn’t sound musical at all to me.dionenoid wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:22 pmHave you tried Soothe2 ? It's what these others try to imitate (with no succes imo).Sinisterbr wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:05 am Have you already tried DSEQ? I think it's better than Smooth Operator.![]()
It's not the kind of effect that you want to be obvious - unless you are using it as a deliberate effect - so backing off a little, as one might with a reverb return, is probably wise. Don't shoot for too much gain reduction; use the visual display and A/B with the bypass.
I hope that helps a little, if you aren't already doing these things. For me, it's a great audio processor that saves time and complements a lot of other plugins. Of course, there might still be the odd frequency that you need to dial out manually - depends on both the signal and what you are expecting.
- KVRian
- 849 posts since 11 Mar, 2010
Yes, I did, and I think it's amazing. But I guess I'd personally give the upper hand to DSEQ, as it's more flexible (if you need tweaking) and cheaperdionenoid wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:22 pmHave you tried Soothe2 ? It's what these others try to imitate (with no succes imo).Sinisterbr wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:05 am Have you already tried DSEQ? I think it's better than Smooth Operator.
- KVRAF
- 1844 posts since 3 Jan, 2019 from Holland
Soothe2 is very transparent and is not supposed to be heard. Don't overdo it, small amounts will do the job quite often. Gain reduction peaks around -3 db are usually enough.DJErmac wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:59 pm I never clicked with Soothe. I purchased v1 and v2 because it’s a powerful tool, but something seems wrong to me in the sound. Always sounds like some kind of lossy mp3 compression where applied to my ears, even by tweaking it for hours. Doesn’t sound musical at all to me.![]()
Unaspected gave some useful tips. I like to add that the 'delta' function is also very useful.
Quickest way of working is to select one of the presets that fits what you want to do, then adjust the amount to your liking.
The loudness war is over, loudness has won
- KVRAF
- 2575 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from gone
OK, that’s why.dionenoid wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:38 pmSoothe2 is very transparent and is not supposed to be heard. Don't overdo it, small amounts will do the job quite often. Gain reduction peaks around -3 db are usually enough.DJErmac wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:59 pm I never clicked with Soothe. I purchased v1 and v2 because it’s a powerful tool, but something seems wrong to me in the sound. Always sounds like some kind of lossy mp3 compression where applied to my ears, even by tweaking it for hours. Doesn’t sound musical at all to me.![]()
That’s why I chose the Baby Audio one instead.
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- KVRAF
- 3086 posts since 4 May, 2012
Yeah. Soothe isn't a sweetener so much as a utility plugin that does one job very well and a few other duties by happenstance - very glad that the developers allowed for the parameters to be pushed way beyond subtle.DJErmac wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:51 pmOK, that’s why.dionenoid wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:38 pmSoothe2 is very transparent and is not supposed to be heard. Don't overdo it, small amounts will do the job quite often. Gain reduction peaks around -3 db are usually enough.DJErmac wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:59 pm I never clicked with Soothe. I purchased v1 and v2 because it’s a powerful tool, but something seems wrong to me in the sound. Always sounds like some kind of lossy mp3 compression where applied to my ears, even by tweaking it for hours. Doesn’t sound musical at all to me.![]()
That’s why I chose the Baby Audio one instead.
I favour it over those that also adjust tone because I want to make those decisions for myself.
However, a couple of things you might like to employ Soothe for are after wide band EQ boosts and to clean up audio ahead of processes which naturally increase the noise floor - such as compression and distortion.
EDIT: I should add that, when using after EQ, you'll want to set Soothe so it's hardly reacting without EQ - so it's only operating when the signal is boosted into it. You can push highs quite hard this way without them sounding harsh. YMMV.
- KVRAF
- 2575 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from gone
These are very good tips, thanks !Unaspected wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:59 pmYeah. Soothe isn't a sweetener so much as a utility plugin that does one job very well and a few other duties by happenstance - very glad that the developers allowed for the parameters to be pushed way beyond subtle.DJErmac wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:51 pmOK, that’s why.dionenoid wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:38 pmSoothe2 is very transparent and is not supposed to be heard. Don't overdo it, small amounts will do the job quite often. Gain reduction peaks around -3 db are usually enough.DJErmac wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:59 pm I never clicked with Soothe. I purchased v1 and v2 because it’s a powerful tool, but something seems wrong to me in the sound. Always sounds like some kind of lossy mp3 compression where applied to my ears, even by tweaking it for hours. Doesn’t sound musical at all to me.![]()
That’s why I chose the Baby Audio one instead.
I favour it over those that also adjust tone because I want to make those decisions for myself.
However, a couple of things you might like to employ Soothe for are after wide band EQ boosts and to clean up audio ahead of processes which naturally increase the noise floor - such as compression and distortion.
EDIT: I should add that, when using after EQ, you'll want to set Soothe so it's hardly reacting without EQ - so it's only operating when the signal is boosted into it. You can push highs quite hard this way without them sounding harsh. YMMV.
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- KVRAF
- 3086 posts since 4 May, 2012
You're welcome. I don't want you to feel like you wasted your money. There are a few tricks it can do as well - other than operation via sidechain - but I'll duck out of the thread for now. Pun not intended.
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- KVRian
- 834 posts since 7 Dec, 2018 from Saint-Petersburg
I purchased Soothe for one thing: live spectral sidechain compression (aka Trackspacer). Oeksound doesn't mention that feature, but you can mix the whole track using only Soothe. It's the wealthiest spectral compressor on the market
SmartComp does that too, but it needs time to analyze and think about what to compress and how.
SmartComp does that too, but it needs time to analyze and think about what to compress and how.
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- KVRAF
- 2452 posts since 1 Jul, 2021
I go for smooth operator, I compared it to some similar plugins like for example soothe and I prefer it because I got good results quickly and more natural sounding, but generally I do not use such plugins a lot. Smooth operator is also a song I like a lot :;
And I am sometimes wondering whether AI has not simply replaced presets, because I tested smart eq sonible on completely different drums and got very similar eq curves each time, so I suppose it's more or less presets with a kind of random function to make us think there really is a very clever algorithm calculating, but it was just a dev who decided that a kick needs a boost at 100 hz and a cut at 450 and a boost at 2.5 kHz and programmed it that way lol
And I am sometimes wondering whether AI has not simply replaced presets, because I tested smart eq sonible on completely different drums and got very similar eq curves each time, so I suppose it's more or less presets with a kind of random function to make us think there really is a very clever algorithm calculating, but it was just a dev who decided that a kick needs a boost at 100 hz and a cut at 450 and a boost at 2.5 kHz and programmed it that way lol
