Mark Of The UNICORN - D1G1TAL PEFORMER 11

[Trensharo]

.... the usual rant I've posted on every forum that has any mention of DP for over a year now.

Your vendor list.. NI are great, love their stuff, but they have never been any bar for stability, ever. I've used their products for almost two decades now, and the fact is they're always slow to fix compatibility bugs.

I get it, you didn't have a good time with DP. I know plenty of Windows users that do. I'm sorry if that's offensive to you, but it's just the way it is. I interact weekly with at least a half dozen Windows DP users that do not have your experience.

You got your money back, I have no idea why you're so aggressively interested in promoting that DP sucks on Windows? In every forum with a DP subthread you're there telling everyone about what an unstable mess DP is, and how awful your experience was. MOTU gave you your money back, which is pretty much unheard of in the software world. They're actively working on the Windows version, plenty of fixes for Windows in the last update. Hell maybe the bugs you experienced are fixed? but hey obviously they deserve this right? They deserve to never make it anywhere with the Windows version. IMO this is the problem all developers face on Windows, random configurations leading to random instability in the same DAW with the same plug ins. Yes, other DAWs by now for the most part have this nailed, and no, it's not some MAS issue, every DAW beside Cubase is doing some sort of translation of VST, ASIO etc. and those are not as transparent as you think they are to implement. There's a reason why Bitwig's sandboxing is so effective, why a DAW would bother with that.

Earlier versions of Reaper for Mac were unstable messes, random high CPU glitches when before there were none etc. I didn't spend my time ranting on Reaper forums about it, ( same applies with Reaktor on Mac until v4.7 roughly ), and it's rock solid today. Just saying.

1. Try being less of a shill... MOTU is not your mother.

2. The DP incident was about 10 months ago. I haven't posted on ANY forums about this topic, or even thought about it, in like 6-8 months. My last post on MOTUNation was Feb 9, 2022. My last post on VI Control was at least that far back. Exaggerate much?

EDIT: Last post on VI-Control relating to DP11 was Late December 2021.

How is literally ignoring the product for almost 7 months "aggressively promoting that DP sucks on Windows," as if that even needs to be promoted at all - it already had that reputation before I purchased it. People thinking about trying it routinely request "quality checks" on DP-Windows on VI Control and other forums for that exact reason.

3. I don't care what you do when you run into issues with software. The fact that "I got my money back" does not mean that I am prohibited from relaying the experience I had with the software to other perspective users. You're free to be MOTU's pro bono guerrilla marketing director, but I think you need to direct that angst at the developers that allowed the software to ship in that state. Not the users who report the issues.

I don't owe you an echo chamber.

4. I don't care how well it works on macOS for anyone. I switched off of Mac in 2019 and I'm not going back.

5. You're always free to Block/Ignore me, but I will make that easier for you

6. To the other reply: Windows and Steinberg has nothing to do with the Audio Interface issue. The same interface works without fault with Cubase, Ableton, Studio One, Cakewalk, Reason, Samplitude Pro X, WaveLab, DaVinci Resolve, Sound Forge and a host of other software. The issue was Digital Performer - nothing else was at fault.

7. As I've stated in other threads, several months ago at this point, MOTU replied back and stated that they got reports from other users running into the same issues with VST Plug-ins on Windows. So, I was clearly not an isolated case. I think issues like these are important enough that users considering the software should know about them. Maybe you don't, but that's a topic for another thread that I won't be participating in.

Outside of the issues with DP, I have had no issues with that interface. No complaints. I still use it.

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[Hink]

.... the usual rant I've posted on every forum that has any mention of DP for over a year now.

Your vendor list.. NI are great, love their stuff, but they have never been any bar for stability, ever. I've used their products for almost two decades now, and the fact is they're always slow to fix compatibility bugs.

I get it, you didn't have a good time with DP. I know plenty of Windows users that do. I'm sorry if that's offensive to you, but it's just the way it is. I interact weekly with at least a half dozen Windows DP users that do not have your experience.

You got your money back, I have no idea why you're so aggressively interested in promoting that DP sucks on Windows? In every forum with a DP subthread you're there telling everyone about what an unstable mess DP is, and how awful your experience was. MOTU gave you your money back, which is pretty much unheard of in the software world. They're actively working on the Windows version, plenty of fixes for Windows in the last update. Hell maybe the bugs you experienced are fixed? but hey obviously they deserve this right? They deserve to never make it anywhere with the Windows version. IMO this is the problem all developers face on Windows, random configurations leading to random instability in the same DAW with the same plug ins. Yes, other DAWs by now for the most part have this nailed, and no, it's not some MAS issue, every DAW beside Cubase is doing some sort of translation of VST, ASIO etc. and those are not as transparent as you think they are to implement. There's a reason why Bitwig's sandboxing is so effective, why a DAW would bother with that.

Earlier versions of Reaper for Mac were unstable messes, random high CPU glitches when before there were none etc. I didn't spend my time ranting on Reaper forums about it, ( same applies with Reaktor on Mac until v4.7 roughly ), and it's rock solid today. Just saying.

1. Try being less of a shill... MOTU is not your mother.

2. The DP incident was about 10 months ago. I haven't posted on ANY forums about this topic, or even thought about it, in like 6-8 months. My last post on MOTUNation was Feb 9, 2022. My last post on VI Control was at least that far back. Exaggerate much?

EDIT: Last post on VI-Control relating to DP11 was Late December 2021.

How is literally ignoring the product for almost 7 months "aggressively promoting that DP sucks on Windows," as if that even needs to be promoted at all - it already had that reputation before I purchased it. People thinking about trying it routinely request "quality checks" on DP-Windows on VI Control and other forums for that exact reason.

3. I don't care what you do when you run into issues with software. The fact that "I got my money back" does not mean that I am prohibited from relaying the experience I had with the software to other perspective users. You're free to be MOTU's pro bono guerrilla marketing director, but I think you need to direct that angst at the developers that allowed the software to ship in that state. Not the users who report the issues.

I don't owe you an echo chamber.

4. I don't care how well it works on macOS for anyone. I switched off of Mac in 2019 and I'm not going back.

5. You're always free to Block/Ignore me, but I will make that easier for you

6. To the other reply: Windows and Steinberg has nothing to do with the Audio Interface issue. The same interface works without fault with Cubase, Ableton, Studio One, Cakewalk, Reason, Samplitude Pro X, WaveLab, DaVinci Resolve, Sound Forge and a host of other software. The issue was Digital Performer - nothing else was at fault.

7. As I've stated in other threads, several months ago at this point, MOTU replied back and stated that they got reports from other users running into the same issues with VST Plug-ins on Windows. So, I was clearly not an isolated case. I think issues like these are important enough that users considering the software should know about them. Maybe you don't, but that's a topic for another thread that I won't be participating in.

Outside of the issues with DP, I have had no issues with that interface. No complaints. I still use it.

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first let me tell you I have known machinesworking for a very long time now, we dont always agree on everything but I do have plenty of respect for him. One thing I can say is I doubt he is a shill for anyone, that line of attack is absolutely unnecessary so kindly end it here.

[machinesworking]

2. The DP incident was about 10 months ago. I haven't posted on ANY forums about this topic, or even thought about it, in like 6-8 months. My last post on MOTUNation was Feb 9, 2022. My last post on VI Control was at least that far back. Exaggerate much?

Let's see? you've posted in Motunation, Gearspace, VI- Control and KVR, in pretty much any thread that pops up about DP on those sites. Your level of posting is pretty much concurrent with any active thread on those sites about DP. So no, I'm only slightly exaggerating, it's actually been years of your posts in every thread on DP. DP doesn't get that much publicity outside of Facebook and Motunation, likely because of the raging ex users that complain about some configuration of VSTs they used that had it unstable like you. I'm more than willing to admit DP is touchier with plug ins than most other DAWs, that's not the issue, you blame the entire DAW as an unstable mess, because you want to use X VST that's crashing it. Like I mentioned, Battery 3 crashed Live on the regular, I did without it. It's your choice but instead of just stating, "Hey DP gets wonky with my VST setup, some configurations might not work etc." you're convinced you're on a campaign to educate the world about how bad DP is on Windows. You and others may not like this, but the way it works is pretty simple, if no one bought Reaktor 3 (which was Windows only at first), and complained, sent in bug reports etc. it would never have been stable on Mac OS, not all ports are easy. Any VST that knocks out DP I let tech support know about.
Again you refuse to accept that there are people using DP on Windows who are quite happy with it. I talk to them all the time, I'm likely to zoom with a composer tomorrow whose on Windows.... You can't address that because it flies in the face of your wild assumptions about MAS and how DP interacts with plug ins etc. etc.

3. I don't care what you do when you run into issues with software. The fact that "I got my money back" does not mean that I am prohibited from relaying the experience I had with the software to other perspective users.

You have zero gratitude towards the company, and flatly state things like"allowed the software to ship in that state." Basically ANGER about a buggy experience, that unlike most software purchases ended with a refund.... the privilege of that is through the roof, you've walked away from a situation with only time lost I suppose, yet you continue to declare DP buggy on Windows, having not used it quite some time by now.

I don't owe you an echo chamber.

No, you literally are an echo chamber.

5. You're always free to Block/Ignore me, but I will make that easier for you

I don't care about blocking people, that's weak, state your point, and stop arguing if it's annoying you, it's what I do.

6. To the other reply: Windows and Steinberg has nothing to do with the Audio Interface issue. The same interface works without fault with Cubase, Ableton, Studio One, Cakewalk, Reason, Samplitude Pro X, WaveLab, DaVinci Resolve, Sound Forge and a host of other software. The issue was Digital Performer - nothing else was at fault.
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Outside of the issues with DP, I have had no issues with that interface. No complaints. I still use it.

You're using the cheapest buggiest interface there is, I had a PCI M-Audio card, I'm not a snob, but that thing was a mess. Loud glitch when your computer started up etc. I don't miss it. I installed an M Audio USB interface on my friends PC and it took three freaking attempts to install the driver, among other messes, to get it sorted. M-Audio are mediocre at best, terrible driver support, make sure what you buy is class compliant IMO.

[machinesworking]

first let me tell you I have known machinesworking for a very long time now, we dont always agree on everything but I do have plenty of respect for him. One thing I can say is I doubt he is a shill for anyone, that line of attack is absolutely unnecessary so kindly end it here.

Thanks Hink, Bones has hardened me to unnecessary ad hominum. I just think it's fine to mention plug in issues with DP on Windows, but when people clog up a thread with speculation about the development of a program, I mean really? We are warned, certain configurations of plug ins in DP on Windows have made it a mess for people. Maybe get back to the update I dunno?

[machinesworking]

here's one super positive thing for maybe the two or three people it may affect!

The upgrade like I mentioned comes with a free copy of Melodyne Essentials. Well if you own like I do Melodyne Studio 4, and never got around to upgrading, they will knock $100 off the upgrade price for Studio 5, making it $49 instead of $149!

This isn't just a DP Essentials thing, any copy of Essentials can be "traded in" on the upgrade. I don't know if it would do much good with an old copy of Essentials 4? but it's worth a shot. Cool policy by Melodyne.

[Sergievsky]

I had issues with 11/11.01/11.02 on a Mac, but like any good company, they addressed the issues with the updates and the latest 11.2 is smooth sailing so far (knock on wood). I don't know why DP isn't more popular, it does everything you could possibly need. Maybe it caters more to people who can play keys for longer than 2bars, using both hands? (joke! just kidding!)

[jonljacobi]

DP likely isn't more popular because its workflow is significantly different from most DAWs. Metaphorically speaking--it's not an easy read. Extremely powerful. I wrote a review for Macworld if you'd care for a more in depth explanation.

https://www.macworld.com/article/615329 ... eview.html

[Trensharo]

.... the usual rant I've posted on every forum that has any mention of DP for over a year now.

Your vendor list.. NI are great, love their stuff, but they have never been any bar for stability, ever. I've used their products for almost two decades now, and the fact is they're always slow to fix compatibility bugs.

I get it, you didn't have a good time with DP. I know plenty of Windows users that do. I'm sorry if that's offensive to you, but it's just the way it is. I interact weekly with at least a half dozen Windows DP users that do not have your experience.

You got your money back, I have no idea why you're so aggressively interested in promoting that DP sucks on Windows? In every forum with a DP subthread you're there telling everyone about what an unstable mess DP is, and how awful your experience was. MOTU gave you your money back, which is pretty much unheard of in the software world. They're actively working on the Windows version, plenty of fixes for Windows in the last update. Hell maybe the bugs you experienced are fixed? but hey obviously they deserve this right? They deserve to never make it anywhere with the Windows version. IMO this is the problem all developers face on Windows, random configurations leading to random instability in the same DAW with the same plug ins. Yes, other DAWs by now for the most part have this nailed, and no, it's not some MAS issue, every DAW beside Cubase is doing some sort of translation of VST, ASIO etc. and those are not as transparent as you think they are to implement. There's a reason why Bitwig's sandboxing is so effective, why a DAW would bother with that.

Earlier versions of Reaper for Mac were unstable messes, random high CPU glitches when before there were none etc. I didn't spend my time ranting on Reaper forums about it, ( same applies with Reaktor on Mac until v4.7 roughly ), and it's rock solid today. Just saying.

1. Try being less of a shill... MOTU is not your mother.

2. The DP incident was about 10 months ago. I haven't posted on ANY forums about this topic, or even thought about it, in like 6-8 months. My last post on MOTUNation was Feb 9, 2022. My last post on VI Control was at least that far back. Exaggerate much?

EDIT: Last post on VI-Control relating to DP11 was Late December 2021.

How is literally ignoring the product for almost 7 months "aggressively promoting that DP sucks on Windows," as if that even needs to be promoted at all - it already had that reputation before I purchased it. People thinking about trying it routinely request "quality checks" on DP-Windows on VI Control and other forums for that exact reason.

3. I don't care what you do when you run into issues with software. The fact that "I got my money back" does not mean that I am prohibited from relaying the experience I had with the software to other perspective users. You're free to be MOTU's pro bono guerrilla marketing director, but I think you need to direct that angst at the developers that allowed the software to ship in that state. Not the users who report the issues.

I don't owe you an echo chamber.

4. I don't care how well it works on macOS for anyone. I switched off of Mac in 2019 and I'm not going back.

5. You're always free to Block/Ignore me, but I will make that easier for you

6. To the other reply: Windows and Steinberg has nothing to do with the Audio Interface issue. The same interface works without fault with Cubase, Ableton, Studio One, Cakewalk, Reason, Samplitude Pro X, WaveLab, DaVinci Resolve, Sound Forge and a host of other software. The issue was Digital Performer - nothing else was at fault.

7. As I've stated in other threads, several months ago at this point, MOTU replied back and stated that they got reports from other users running into the same issues with VST Plug-ins on Windows. So, I was clearly not an isolated case. I think issues like these are important enough that users considering the software should know about them. Maybe you don't, but that's a topic for another thread that I won't be participating in.

Outside of the issues with DP, I have had no issues with that interface. No complaints. I still use it.

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first let me tell you I have known machinesworking for a very long time now, we dont always agree on everything but I do have plenty of respect for him. One thing I can say is I doubt he is a shill for anyone, that line of attack is absolutely unnecessary so kindly end it here.

I'm entitled to my opinion, just as he's basically labeled me the opposite in his posts (which you seem to see no reason to comment on or about), while completely exaggerating and misrepresenting the overall situation to lend credibility to his "rant."

In any case, that person is blocked so I will think what I want of them and move on.

Additionally:

MOTU gave you your money back, which is pretty much unheard of in the software world.

Hardly. MAGIX and Steinberg have both kindly and promptly given me refunds in the past. Steinberg even gave me a refund for a dongled license in the past, due to software issues I've faced. Promptly and without question, once they confirmed the issue on their end.

The vast majority of software developers actually aren't averse to refunding users when they run into legitimate issues with software that makes it hard to use it productively (or at all). That has been my experience in this industry.

[machinesworking]

1. Try being less of a shill... MOTU is not your mother.

I'm entitled to my opinion, just as he's basically labeled me the opposite in his posts (which you seem to see no reason to comment on or about), while completely exaggerating and misrepresenting the overall situation to lend credibility to his "rant."

In any case, that person is blocked so I will think what I want of them and move on.

Not surprising that someone so seemingly thin skinned cannot figure out the difference between arguing their opinion and ad hominum. Here's a clue, putting "seemingly" makes it my opinion that your responses are overtly dramatic, it's not about you, it's about your words on the screen. I'm absolutely fine with you not being able to read my posts, I'm still going to comment on yours, and I will have no problem with getting the last word in then.

Additionally:

MOTU gave you your money back, which is pretty much unheard of in the software world.

Hardly. MAGIX and Steinberg have both kindly and promptly given me refunds in the past. Steinberg even gave me a refund for a dongled license in the past, due to software issues I've faced. Promptly and without question, once they confirmed the issue on their end.

The vast majority of software developers actually aren't averse to refunding users when they run into legitimate issues with software that makes it hard to use it productively (or at all). That has been my experience in this industry.

My god, again, the privilege of this is just beyond me. I am always thankful when software is returnable. The computer audio world is filled with arcane copy protection routines, dongles, companies being bought out and dropping business overnight, and un-transferable sample libraries. This guy got a refund in that world more than once, and now it's not even worth anything to him. Also what the hell is wrong with his system that he keeps having to return software? I literally have never had that happen.

[machinesworking]

If anyone is still reading this thread because they're interested in the topic.

MOTU have been doing Zoom webinars on DP for most of the pandemic. There's one tomorrow on the new features, chance to ask the MOTU rep putting it on Matt questions at the end etc. If you have the time, there's generally an "after party" meeting that has experienced users who can answer your questions as well. Good way to get an idea of what DP is like if you're interested, and there are plenty of Windows DP users at the after party for specific questions if you're experiencing issues. [PM me for details on the After party if you're interested.]

Webinar page Link!

[coolbass]

Also what the hell is wrong with his system that he keeps having to return software? I literally have never had that happen.

Me neither...

[maanga]

Reminds me of a joke.
The blonde went to the doctor saying her whole body have pain.
'See doctor, I touch here, there and everywhere, it pains.'
The doctor patiently examined her and said, 'miss, your finger is broken'
In real life, some people are like that.
Just ignore and pass on. They are not necessary in your life to give attention.
Regards.