Have we now reached "peak plug in"

[DCrown]

AI is only going to be a thing if people who are incapable of thought buy in. Just don't buy in and that will be end of it in audio. You control AI in your life and that is it.

Let it do cancer screening scans etc. that's fine. But don;t sign yourself of as incapable of being creative, no wonder people will be quiet about using it. It's like internal acceptance of being incapable of making something worth hearing. Don't let AI make that you.

Now is your chance to up your game.

Life would be better without internet, when you generally compare the good and bad sides of it, but you can't stop it now any more, of course, just like you won't stop AI from influencing a lot of parts of our life and establishing itself, it's too late, the dragon is out of his cage already.

[VitaminD]

AI in music is only going to be a thing if people who are incapable of thought buy in. Just don't buy in and that will be end of it in audio. You are the controller of AI in your life and that is it.

I heard a saying that roughly went: People can be smart, Groups are stupid.

With that in mind, I can safely say AI is going to be a thing anywhere and everywhere. Because even if you are smart enough to say 'no', there are a hundred others collectively that aren't and will say 'yes.' And those others will drive product development and social constructs even if these things aren't beneficial to the whole or otherwise rational. You're along for the ride.

[Synthman2000]

Does not every individual have a choice about precisely what is consumed and when ?

People forget that and would do well to wise up fast and control it (the internet), not the other way round.

The internet is utopia if you make it so, have strength of mind, have control over it and then it is nothing other than amazing.

[Synthman2000]

AI in music is only going to be a thing if people who are incapable of thought buy in. Just don't buy in and that will be end of it in audio. You are the controller of AI in your life and that is it.

I heard a saying that roughly went: People can be smart, Groups are stupid.

With that in mind, I can safely say AI is going to be a thing anywhere and everywhere. Because even if you are smart enough to say 'no', there are a hundred others collectively that aren't and will say 'yes.' And those others will drive product development and social constructs even if these things aren't beneficial to the whole or otherwise rational. You're along for the ride.

I think this is about right, your opening statement. Though as an individual you need confidence and no one is an island. But groups ? They are not really my thing, I can think for myself, not always right but I live in peace with my own head as far as is possible and be a functioning member of humankind/society.

[VitaminD]

AI in music is only going to be a thing if people who are incapable of thought buy in. Just don't buy in and that will be end of it in audio. You are the controller of AI in your life and that is it.

I heard a saying that roughly went: People can be smart, Groups are stupid.

With that in mind, I can safely say AI is going to be a thing anywhere and everywhere. Because even if you are smart enough to say 'no', there are a hundred others collectively that aren't and will say 'yes.' And those others will drive product development and social constructs even if these things aren't beneficial to the whole or otherwise rational. You're along for the ride.

I think this is about right, your opening statement. Though as an individual you need confidence and no one is an island. But groups ? They are not really my thing, I can think for myself, not always right but I live in peace with my own head as far as is possible and be a functioning member of humankind/society.

Yes, but as you say -- no man is an island. So even if you (individually) can make choices, what choices you are offered are often directed by the group. So you don't have as much control as maybe you'd like?

In this scenario, with music software, I think we will see more 'interesting' features added to the bulk of software and it will be up to you to either buy and have it, or stick to much older versions. Of course in other software it will just be an optional thing and you can ignore it.

Either way the features are coming even if we don't want them, because the group wants them.

[DCrown]

Imo music won't play any important role any more in about 100 years. Now it's just become a worth- and soulless mass-product (music is for free and rarely with some quality!).
Music maybe will be replaced by something we can't even imagine right now (the last 30 years we were faced with so many innovations that completely changed our life and there is way more to come) and today's music or let's better say the music from Joh. Seb. Bach - now maybe will be considered as a strange ancient thing that will make people face-palm in 100-150 years. On one side it's pure speculation, of course, on the other side I read the sign of the times.

[runagate]

...a concatenative synthesis instrument using semantic ontology audio characteristic metatagging and solve inverse problems with dynamic audio trait targets updatable in realtime

Where do I buy now?

https://forum.ircam.fr/topics/detail/32 ... synthesis/

IRCAM used to have some amazing VSTs which they, as they typically do, overpriced by about 15x and then I don't know what happened to them. Futuristic things which there was no host or controller that could possibly utilize what was under the hood, which obviously isn't their fault. We don't even have good terminology hashed out yet for some things people have tried or are thinking about so I shall not explaterate all over this post with nonsense words aside from saying it's a damned shame they didn't just open source it so future folks could build upon it. Not that the DSP concepts necessarily originated with them but they did at least implement working plugins.

[audiouser720]

We also need emulations of vintage digital plugins from 1999-2001… those had that special sauce to them, some kind of analogue warmness

[vurt]

Imo music won't play any important role any more in about 100 years. Now it's just become a worth- and soulless mass-product (music is for free and rarely with some quality!).
Music maybe will be replaced by something we can't even imagine right now (the last 30 years we were faced with so many innovations that completely changed our life and there is way more to come) and today's music or let's better say the music from Joh. Seb. Bach - now maybe will be considered as a strange ancient thing that will make people face-palm in 100-150 years. On one side it's pure speculation, of course, on the other side I read the sign of the times.

we will lose our limbs and evolve to burrow like worms .
pure speculation of course, but the truth is there to see, if you know how to look, and where....

[Synthman2000]

AI in music is only going to be a thing if people who are incapable of thought buy in. Just don't buy in and that will be end of it in audio. You are the controller of AI in your life and that is it.

I heard a saying that roughly went: People can be smart, Groups are stupid.

With that in mind, I can safely say AI is going to be a thing anywhere and everywhere. Because even if you are smart enough to say 'no', there are a hundred others collectively that aren't and will say 'yes.' And those others will drive product development and social constructs even if these things aren't beneficial to the whole or otherwise rational. You're along for the ride.

I think this is about right, your opening statement. Though as an individual you need confidence and no one is an island. But groups ? They are not really my thing, I can think for myself, not always right but I live in peace with my own head as far as is possible and be a functioning member of humankind/society.

Yes, but as you say -- no man is an island. So even if you (individually) can make choices, what choices you are offered are often directed by the group. So you don't have as much control as maybe you'd like?

In this scenario, with music software, I think we will see more 'interesting' features added to the bulk of software and it will be up to you to either buy and have it, or stick to much older versions. Of course in other software it will just be an optional thing and you can ignore it.

Either way the features are coming even if we don't want them, because the group wants them.

Only worry about what can be controlled. If you cannot control, make decisions.

[Synthman2000]

Imo music won't play any important role any more in about 100 years. Now it's just become a worth- and soulless mass-product (music is for free and rarely with some quality!).
Music maybe will be replaced by something we can't even imagine right now (the last 30 years we were faced with so many innovations that completely changed our life and there is way more to come) and today's music or let's better say the music from Joh. Seb. Bach - now maybe will be considered as a strange ancient thing that will make people face-palm in 100-150 years. On one side it's pure speculation, of course, on the other side I read the sign of the times.

I complete disagree, it will be as incredible for humans as it is today.

In 100 years there will be so much catastrophe on planet earth it will be a necessary distraction from being boiled alive, power cuts, finding food to eat and being flooded all the time.

[VitaminD]

Imo music won't play any important role any more in about 100 years. Now it's just become a worth- and soulless mass-product (music is for free and rarely with some quality!).
Music maybe will be replaced by something we can't even imagine right now (the last 30 years we were faced with so many innovations that completely changed our life and there is way more to come) and today's music or let's better say the music from Joh. Seb. Bach - now maybe will be considered as a strange ancient thing that will make people face-palm in 100-150 years. On one side it's pure speculation, of course, on the other side I read the sign of the times.

I think for a lot of electronic and rap music this is true. Very formulaic and synthetic music is easier to generate. But acoustic work as well..

But I still expect there will be a demand for it, and people performing it. Because no matter how digital and mass produced the art becomes, there will always be a human desire to connect with other humans and to relate. And that is often done through art, especially music. And, of that, especially in concerts and live events.

So unless we as a species somehow lose all emotional ability, I think we will always have human derived (or at least performed) art that will be valued by society.

It would spur even more formulaic stuff though and that may drive societally valued genres and styles. Maybe more Milli Vanilli acts too.. The ghostwriter will just be computer software.

But there is something special about going to a concert hall and listening to other human beings perform music, together, for an audience, together.

[egbert101]

In 100 years, there will be a retro revival of 1980s music. People will once again listen to tapes, CDs, and Vinyls and marvel at the peak of musical achievement. And some old guy will mass produce antique analog synths.

[Crossinger]

And some old guy will mass produce antique analog synths.

And his first name will be „Uli“

[DCrown]

Let us discuss in 75 years again, just inscribe it in your date book (1st of december 2098), then we will probably already see more.
Could anyone please post a reminder in 50 years?