SWAY - a synth modeled after the Yamaha SY77

[EvilDragon]

100% on all that.

[osiris]

What I had was not roms they were ancient Akai sample Cds. so, CD-roms. I still have the Triton one.

[ekwipt]

looking forward to this project, i have a real TG77 but having another way to access the sounds and move patches around would be cool!

[GruvSyco]

I've always been curious why projects like this don't just recreate the samples as closely as possible. We're talking about recreating late 80's samples. Creating something that requires a ROM image to be complete has always felt like such a gray area.

[EvilDragon]

Because that is way way way harder

[bmanic]

I've always been curious why projects like this don't just recreate the samples as closely as possible. We're talking about recreating late 80's samples. Creating something that requires a ROM image to be complete has always felt like such a gray area.

You are completely underestimating how difficult that is to do.

[poonna]

Why is it illegal to sample the ROM when UVI has sampled all these digital romplers, including the SY77, for their Digital Synsations as well? If they said it’s derivative because they were sampling presets, can’t we also say we’re sampling presets with filter fully up, no fx, no mods?

[ghettosynth]

Why is it illegal to sample the ROM when UVI has sampled all these digital romplers, including the SY77, for their Digital Synsations as well? If they said it’s derivative because they were sampling presets, can’t we also say we’re sampling presets with filter fully up, no fx, no mods?

What you can do, and this is what I suspect that UVI did, is to obtain a license to use the samples from Yamaha. However, what you cannot do is sample them while trying to use some bathhouse lawyer approach to avoiding copyright law.

There is some chance that the SY77 samples are not protected under copyright however. The rules were different in the 80s for including copyright notices on works. I can't remember the cutoff date or most of the details, but, I know that Roland ran into this with the MT-32 ROMs because the ROMs themselves don't contain the appropriate notice.

[gentleclockdivider]

WHat he can do is download the original sy77 rom files from sector 101 ( I have already done that just in case sector 101 get a cease and decist ) , convert to wave , adjust one sampe ( as in sample unit ) convert back to bin .
Voila , sample is modified

[ghettosynth]

Who is "he" here? You can't just modify the sample and avoid copyright law. That's the bathhouse law that I'm talking about.

1) You can recreate the samples to the best of your ability using original content.
2) You can obtain a license from Yamaha
3) You can explore the idea that any claimed copyright is invalid. Good luck with that.

Any sample that starts with the Yamaha sample is subject to claims of copyright from Yamaha.

[sheaf]

Yeah I don't want to take any chances with the original Yamaha samples. I get that it's disappointing to many, but I don't want to risk being shut down.

I will add a versatile set of samples myself though. I know that doesn't help with playing the original AWM patches, but I still think the project makes sense without being able to do that. Honestly, if I had the space I would've gotten a SY99 instead of a TG77, precisely because you can go beyond the original samples with it. The original sample set of the SY77 is not all that interesting imo.

Double points if it will also function as an editor for the hardware

It will. That's how I compare the plugin to the hardware during development, by syncing the patch that's being edited in the UI.

I hope you will do it !
Will there be a Mac au version?
If so please let the plugin work with macOS Mojave also.

Yes, VST3 and AU on macOS.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Why is it illegal to sample the ROM when UVI has sampled all these digital romplers, including the SY77, for their Digital Synsations as well? If they said it’s derivative because they were sampling presets, can’t we also say we’re sampling presets with filter fully up, no fx, no mods?

Because they didnt use the ROMs, they sample held notes

[gaggle of hermits]

Why is it illegal to sample the ROM when UVI has sampled all these digital romplers, including the SY77, for their Digital Synsations as well? If they said it’s derivative because they were sampling presets, can’t we also say we’re sampling presets with filter fully up, no fx, no mods?

uvi didn’t use the factory presets. they made their own custom presets and then sampled those. They’re not the only ones. cl projects did the same for a Roland jd and a virus library and there are some refills for reason from pinknoise that used the same approach. this seems to be enough to avoid the cease and desist letters.

but the minute Roland sees Digital Native Dance in a list…

[whyterabbyt]

WHat he can do is download the original sy77 rom files from sector 101 ( I have already done that just in case sector 101 get a cease and decist ) , convert to wave , adjust one sampe ( as in sample unit ) convert back to bin .
Voila , sample is modified

so? modified samples are derived works, and in no way exempt from the copyright restrictions of the source material used.

[ghettosynth]

Yeah I don't want to take any chances with the original Yamaha samples. I get that it's disappointing to many, but I don't want to risk being shut down.

I will add a versatile set of samples myself though. I know that doesn't help with playing the original AWM patches, but I still think the project makes sense without being able to do that. Honestly, if I had the space I would've gotten a SY99 instead of a TG77, precisely because you can go beyond the original samples with it. The original sample set of the SY77 is not all that interesting imo.

100%. It's largely the purists that are attached to the original samples.