What’s your go-to plate reverb for snare ?

[The Main Event]

Magic7 is really f**king good. Recently had problems to find a nice reverb for my drum bus and tried a bunch but was never satisfied with that particular song. Tried magic7 and it immediately sounded great. Will use it more often now.

[Weasel-Boy]

You'll notice that in a true physical model like UVI Plate or Physical Audio Dynamic Plate, you can set the inputs and outputs anywhere on the plate, and soundwaves will be calculated at those specific points.

OH...if only that were true for the Physical Audio unit. It can only modify the size of the plate, but not transducer and pickup positions on the plate. Still, it does sound quite realistic.

[jamcat]

You'll notice that in a true physical model like UVI Plate or Physical Audio Dynamic Plate, you can set the inputs and outputs anywhere on the plate, and soundwaves will be calculated at those specific points.

OH...if only that were true for the Physical Audio unit. It can only modify the size of the plate, but not transducer and pickup positions on the plate. Still, it does sound quite realistic.

Noted. You can do it on the UVI model, which is the one I have.

[jens]

A proper physical model will produce all of the behaviors because they are natural consequences of the physics.

That's assuming the model is absolutely flawless and exhaustive, which can not at all be taken for granted.

A model that simply measures outputs and tries to emulate the results by applying various techniques is never as accurate or complete.

I would think that depends on the quality and completeness of each individual, respective model. Each element of the behaviour can be emulated in any number of conputational ways and so can be the interaction of these elements. "Entscheidend ist, was hinten rauskommt."

And that's the point: I have no use for UVI Plate, because no matter how much I fiddle with it, it just won't properly sit in the mix here, contrary to the reputation of a real plate, unlike UAD's Pure Plate and unlike Valhalla Plate.

How do you know there aren't any stupid mistakes in the UVI model/code? You don't.
And that is exactly why the specific nature of the model is a moot point.

[kritikon]

Magic7 is really f**king good. Recently had problems to find a nice reverb for my drum bus and tried a bunch but was never satisfied with that particular song. Tried magic7 and it immediately sounded great. Will use it more often now.

Yeah, TBH I haven't managed to make it sound bad on absolutely anything. It just sounds sweet whatever you use it on. Even the "ambiences" sound lush in a good way, which is not really what ambience is supposed to be. And like all truly good reverbs, it's easy to overdo it and yet not ruin your track. Can't remember whoever recommended it to me, but I thank them for doing so.

[jamcat]

A proper physical model will produce all of the behaviors because they are natural consequences of the physics.

That's assuming the model is absolutely flawless and exhaustive, which can not at all be taken for granted.

A model that simply measures outputs and tries to emulate the results by applying various techniques is never as accurate or complete.

I would think that depends on the quality and completeness of each individual, respective model. Each element of the behaviour can be emulated in any number of conputational ways and so can be the interaction of these elements. "Entscheidend ist, was hinten rauskommt."

And that's the point: I have no use for UVI Plate, because no matter how much I fiddle with it, it just won't properly sit in the mix here, contrary to the reputation of a real plate, unlike UAD's Pure Plate and unlike Valhalla Plate.

How do you know there aren't any stupid mistakes in the UVI model/code? You don't.
And that is exactly why the specific nature of the model is a moot point.

These are fair points, and indeed a physical model depends on the accuracy of the implementation of the physics and the completeness of all physical interactions being computed. That last one is going to be the biggest concern. And there is an analogue here to traditional modeling. A traditional model is only as complete as the developer makes it. Did they observe everything going on in the interaction and fully model all of it, or did they pick and choose what was most obvious or what they felt was most important? UVI Plate also does this in a way, by pruning the number of nodes calculated, based on the quality settings.

That said, my point is that when wave interactions are physically modeled, you are going to get a much more detailed result than simply applying some filters or an LFO as a traditional model would.

A traditional model is still going to approach a plate exactly the way a reverb box did back in the 1980s. For all intents and purposes, Valhalla Plate is the same as those plate algorithms. The only difference is there is a bit more research available, and there's more storage space and CPU power available for modern algorithms. But they're still built in the same way from the same components. So I would still classify Valhalla Plate as a collection of algorithmic reverb programs, rather than any kind of physical model of a real plate.

[Weasel-Boy]

I would still classify Valhalla Plate as a collection of algorithmic reverb programs, rather than any kind of physical model of a real plate.

I use Vahalla Plate a lot and I have to agree with your observation. That aside, the Vahalla Plate is OK but the Dynamic Plate plugin sounds more um...authentic and sits better in a mix. and it costs just a little more than the Vahalla.

[The Gloomy Sailor]

Wasted space from softube and tsr-1 from softube also.

[G Marc]

this one )) my favorite

[kritikon]

That's a funny-looking plate...

[Andreya_Autumn]

This conversation made me curious to listen to Valhalla Plate again so I pulled down the demo and made some comparisons. My conclusion is first of all that it sounds really good... No surprises there.

More importantly, while it probably is true that it's an algorithmic reverb, what matters is the sound. And it definitely does sound much closer to an electro-mechanical plate than to an early digital emulation of the same. Those 20-30 years of improvements make a big difference it turns out. Also not surprising.

So yeah, in musical terms, this is a lot closer to Lustrous Plates and the like than it is to the plate models in the Eventide, Bricasti etc emulations.

[TS-12]

How are the plates in Strymon BigSky and SeventhHeaven Professional ( Bricasti ) ?

[CrystalWizard]

UVI Plate and Valhalla Plate, Lustrous Plate seems even better but is outta my range.
Snares???

[jamcat]

I’ve found that which plate reverb plugin sounds best really depends on the source material, especially when they’re convolution/hybrid based. But I’ve also found that I can get really close to any of them with UVI Plate, and it just seems to sound more alive.

[TechHaus]

My go-to plate (on a buss that I MAY send snare to) is ACMT ACM530X1.

Need to try Uhbik Ambience on snare.