waves reel ADT alternatives?

[simon.a.billington]

I tied to recreate one using a tape effect with modulation, but nothing will let you modulate the playhead position (delay time) so you'd have to stick another delay before the tape effect. Even then you can only modulate in positive time values at best.

It turns out it's just way simpler and more effective to use Reel ADT. I've yet to find anything that does a very similar thing and is also good at it.

[Razzia]

Just going to reiterate what I said in a different but similar thread. What made ADT good, to me, was the random modulation range so it could sound more like actual layering and less like a chorus/doubler.

The best plugin I've used for this sort of thing was the harmony mode in Izotope Nectar. I have old ones. Versions 2 and 3 or something. Not sure if they still have this in there, but if they do it's great for this sort of thing. Set to unison (or whatever the 'same pitch' parameter is called), add little bits of random pitch and timing variation. Sounds more natural than I can easily accomplish with a regular doubler.

[fisherKing]

Just going to reiterate what I said in a different but similar thread. What made ADT good, to me, was the random modulation range so it could sound more like actual layering and less like a chorus/doubler.

The best plugin I've used for this sort of thing was the harmony mode in Izotope Nectar. I have old ones. Versions 2 and 3 or something. Not sure if they still have this in there, but if they do it's great for this sort of thing. Set to unison (or whatever the 'same pitch' parameter is called), add little bits of random pitch and timing variation. Sounds more natural than I can easily accomplish with a regular doubler.

hmm, i have nectar 4, will check this out...

EDIT: nectar 4: to do actual L-R double-tracking, it's not great, as you can't move the original sound from the center, you can only remove it... leaving two generated sounds on either sound. but it's a good option for some things (and i do use it)

[Aloysius]

Airwindows ADT. I have no experience with it.

https://www.airwindows.com/adt-vst/

[bnz]

I haven't tried it myself, but maybe check out Toneboosters Reelbus 4. It has some echoing functionality that might work for doubling. Toneboosters stuff is generally excellent, I'm just not sure about doubling use case in particular.

[simon.a.billington]

Thinking about it, you could always try a regular doubler. Many of them don't do negative time, but it's my understanding some of them do allow for the time parameter to be modulated. Run it as an aux effect, without the dry input and place a tape plugin either before or after it.

It won't be the same, but it could get you in the general vicinity.

[fisherKing]

Thinking about it, you could always try a regular doubler. Many of them don't do negative time, but it's my understanding some of them do allow for the time parameter to be modulated. Run it as an aux effect, without the dry input and place a tape plugin either before or after it.

It won't be the same, but it could get you in the general vicinity.

what is a 'regular doubler''? just wondering if you're referencing something not yet suggested in this thread. meanwhile, i have decided to stay with reel ADT, it's doing everything i want a stereo-split doubler to do.

[thievedletter]

Have you considered just manually doubling the track and adding modulation?

[fisherKing]

Have you considered just manually doubling the track and adding modulation?

no, as i am constantly tweaking things (edits, eq, arrangement). it's easy to manage the one track, and i am enjoying waves ADT; just (originally) thought to find a replacement... and nothing has impressed me as much. so it goes

[Ah_Dziz]

I'm not sure what exactly is supposed to be extra "special" about the waves plugin, but this seems like something that could be done with most modulated delays. You'd need something with delay, feedback, and modulation control per channel. I'd recommend slapping something together in a modular host (that's almost always my recommendation). You need to delay the "dry" signal by a small set amount (this would be reported as latency to the host, then move your delayed signal around that via hands on control (proper smoothing of the delay time would be a big, if not the biggest, part of matching the waves sound), or with a modulator. Again I don't really see any good info about the exact setup of the waves plugin but the modulation amount and signal wouldn't be very hard to get right with the proper info or some trial and error. If you had the right info (mod shape etc) you could put this together in reaktor or mac in a few minutes. If you aren't into that, any flexible delay plugin will get you there with a main drawback being that you may have to adjust the track manually for proper delay compensation (setting the dry signal to a fixed unit 1/16th note or so makes it very easy to slide the track by that amount or use the built in host track delay to offset things). Seems very doable with U-he MFM or UA sandman pro. Generally a good chorus with no feedback dialed in should get you very very close with the proper modulation.

Edit: I don't see much about ADT but if it does have some form of non linear "tape distortion" in the signal path, you could add that as well in a modular DSP environment along with pre/ post eq for tone shaping.
Good luck
JJ

[Ah_Dziz]

If you're sticking with waves, the doubler (waves doubler) effect is quite good and flexible. I'd be amazed if it couldn't get very close to the sound of ADT with the bonus of having far more options. I suppose I will check out ADT since I do have it. I'm amazed at how many waves plugins I never end up ever trying ( I pretty much stick with all the old stuff that made me go with waves originally all those years ago).

[JerGoertz]

Vacuum Sound's old freebie *may* be what you're looking for.

https://www.dontcrack.com/freeware/down ... tware/ADT/

Edit: Oops, I see someone else already mentioned this one. Well, now it has 2 mentions!

[fisherKing]

I'm not sure what exactly is supposed to be extra "special" about the waves plugin, but this seems like something that could be done with most modulated delays. You'd need something with delay, feedback, and modulation control per channel. I'd recommend slapping something together in a modular host (that's almost always my recommendation). You need to delay the "dry" signal by a small set amount (this would be reported as latency to the host, then move your delayed signal around that via hands on control (proper smoothing of the delay time would be a big, if not the biggest, part of matching the waves sound), or with a modulator. Again I don't really see any good info about the exact setup of the waves plugin but the modulation amount and signal wouldn't be very hard to get right with the proper info or some trial and error. If you had the right info (mod shape etc) you could put this together in reaktor or mac in a few minutes. If you aren't into that, any flexible delay plugin will get you there with a main drawback being that you may have to adjust the track manually for proper delay compensation (setting the dry signal to a fixed unit 1/16th note or so makes it very easy to slide the track by that amount or use the built in host track delay to offset things). Seems very doable with U-he MFM or UA sandman pro. Generally a good chorus with no feedback dialed in should get you very very close with the proper modulation.

Good luck
JJ

that was...long.

i made a preset in valhalla delay that works well; i've used a simple setup in logic to do this. and if i'm sticking with waves (responding to Ah_Dziz), i might as well stick with reel ADT.

seriously, all is well, and i'm fine with what i've got

[thievedletter]

no, as i am constantly tweaking things (edits, eq, arrangement). it's easy to manage the one track, and i am enjoying waves ADT; just (originally) thought to find a replacement... and nothing has impressed me as much. so it goes

Of course. I was thinking more like this, where you can still freely adjust the original.

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[fisherKing]

yes... or i can just use reel ADT. as mentioned, i created a simple patch in valhalla delay, works well. but ADT (with my preferred settings as default) does what i need. thanx tho!