Making music is hard, so why bother? [Instant gratification from AI music generation platforms]

[Aloysius]

If you enjoy music, does it matter?
No, I didn't read the article, OP. That's your job.

[tonedef71]

Thank you for apologizing

My pleasure. It was never my intention to be annoying; just me being me, I guess.

maybe do better next time.

Doing better is hard, so why... oops!

And I am neurodivergent also

Pleased to make your acquaintance.

and I don't post clickbait nonsense.

To me, it seemed to be neither clickbait nor nonsense. Ray Harmony introduced discussion of a topic that I could not have presented better myself.

Try not maybe using the neurodivergent sympathy card next time.

It is not sympathy that we need; it is understanding and acceptance.

Neurodivergence presents differently in every neurodivergent individual. Thankfully, I am not the world's richest billionaire.

That is all, continue on with your wonderful thread.

Thank you. There is always a seat at my table for you, so please feel free to further contribute your opinions to this thread topic at any time; it is contributions like yours that have helped make this thread wonderful and special.

[tonedef71]

If you enjoy music, does it matter?

That is a take worthy of further discussion. I have read that plenty of young people are enjoying the music being output solely by platforms like Suno.AI et al.

No, I didn't read the article, OP. That's your job.

I did read the article, but I also believe that folks who are capable of reading and formulating their own opinion should take the initiative to do that on their own. All I hoped for here was to have a music-related discussion with other adults regarding the topic of potential music newcomers eschewing the time-honored craft of traditional music making for the goal of reaching more instant gratification and other topics stemming from it.

[BertKoor]

s/neurotypical/idiot/

[tonedef71]

Making music for me has always been about having fun, never to sell out.

At the end of the day, that certainly is what it's all about. That is why I do it (it is an expensive hobby I myself could never make a living from). I just wonder if leveraging a platform like Suno.ai is another form of selling out, or simply a modern conduit to expressing oneself musically.

When I use generative A.I. to create a cover image for a track by writing my own custom prompt to coax the result that is close to what I am envisioning, I accept responsibility as the steward of the creation, but I would never claim that it was truly my work (I think it would be obvious to most folks that it was an A.I. creation anyway).

[tonedef71]

s/neurotypical/idiot/

Being familiar with perl and sed, I understand. That said, I appreciate interacting with neurotypicals and neurodivergents alike. It takes different strokes to move the world, after all. While I am willing to chat about neurotypes in a new thread in the "Off Topic" forum, I think we should probably stay on topic here.

[CrystalWizard]

tonedef71:

Interesting that they didn't reference the absolute bottom feeder Mikey Shulman and his insane/inane comment seen here:

Ray Harmony is a really nice guy; calling out individuals like that CEO, is not his style.

Being an over an hour-long podcast, I appreciate that you shared a link with a timestamp right to those rather disrespectful sounding comments. Also, that cringey comment he made near the beginning: "We're not making music, we're making musicians."

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[tonedef71]

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I thought your post was just fine. What mistake are you referring to?

[VOODOO U]

Ha, no, making music is still hard. It is harder than ever.

Which is why we have A.I. to help make music.

[lobanov]

Ha, no, making music is still hard. It is harder than ever.

Which is why we have A.I. to help make music.

No. It is harder thanks to AI.
AI turns music into garbage.
Music has no value anymore.
If it is too easy, it costs nothing.

[tonedef71]

Ha, no, making music is still hard. It is harder than ever.

Which is why we have A.I. to help make music.

No. It is harder thanks to AI.
AI turns music into garbage.
Music has no value anymore.
If it is too easy, it costs nothing.

I am ok with A.I. assisting in the creation of music; I see it as akin to having an assistant and/or a potential songwriting partner. The concept of well-trained generative A.I. creating complete songs for clients à la carte turns my stomach though. I suspect that the business jingles and library/stock music gigs will be impacted almost immediately.

[Bombadil]

The only valid use I can see for AI with music is splitting apart and cleaning up old recordings. I wonder what it could do with old 78 rpm disks from the 30's-50's. Or, even old LPs. It would be cool to hear Glenn Miller as if you were in the room with him and his band.
That, to me, is ehat it's good for. Involvement in 'composing' new 'music' I would keep to a minimum, mostly toward the engineering/mixing aspect.

[tonedef71]

The only valid use I can see for AI with music is splitting apart and cleaning up old recordings. I wonder what it could do with old 78 rpm disks from the 30's-50's. Or, even old LPs. It would be cool to hear Glenn Miller as if you were in the room with him and his band.

Restoration/preservation is a fantastic use-case for A.I. technology. That is something truly useful that A.I. can achieve much faster and more efficiently than humans.

[VOODOO U]

No. It is harder thanks to AI.

No. It's easier. It's way easier typing prompts than learning to play an instrument(s) write a song, record it, mix it and master it. The latter can take hours, days, months.
A.I. prompted creations take a few minutes.

AI turns music into garbage

No, humans make garbage music which A.I. "borrows" to create recycled trash.

Music has no value anymore.

Music lost It's value since Napster.

[tonedef71]

No. It is harder thanks to AI.

No. It's easier. It's way easier typing prompts than learning to play an instrument(s) write a song, record it, mix it and master it. The latter can take hours, days, months.
A.I. prompted creations take a few minutes.

AI turns music into garbage

No, humans make garbage music which A.I. "borrows" to create recycled trash.

Your points resonate.

Music has no value anymore.

Music lost It's value since Napster.

Crikey. I had forgotten about Napster and the role it played in the beginning of the devaluation of professionally recorded music.