Auto Sampler, which one ? / all platforms / + creative uses

[audiojunkie]

Is Decent Sampler format the only format that Gig Performer can export to?

Also, what type of copy protection does it use?

[IvyBirds]

Is Decent Sampler format the only format that Gig Performer can export to?

Also, what type of copy protection does it use?

No Decent Sampler is a free sample player for Windows, Mac, and Linux. It's not open sourced but it is totally free to download and use

https://www.decentsamples.com/product/d ... er-plugin/

It has nothing in and itself to do with Gig Performer and is a entirely separate entity. Gig Performer just makes presets in its format that run on it

You don't even need software to develop presets for it's format outside it a text editor

It just looks at folders on your computer. Inside if the folder you place the samples for your preset and a graphic file if you wish. Then you create an XML file in a text editor

The XML file defines how samples are loaded, mapped to keys, and controlled via user interface elements

The XML code itself is very basic and very logical and tells the Decent Sampler plugin how to use the samples, and what controls and features it should use and where to put them onscreen. It also tells Decent Sampler how to use the graphic file to firm the basic of your GUI and where to put any knobs or controls and any drop down menus you want for your instrument

Decent Sampler has built in filters, and effects like reverb and delay. I am far from being a programmer and even I can figure out the XML for it. It's essentially a collection snippets of code

All Gig Performer is doing is making the samples and placing them in a folder, then it generates the XML file for you to make them into a playable instrument. The GUI for your instrument/preset will be plain vanilla however you can easily modify and cut and paste other elements from other Decent Sampler XML files right into it

There are also lots of people developing instruments for the format and either giving them for free or selling them at low cost. The Decent Sampler website had a section where you can find and download many of these

I am currently developing a few libraries that I hope to have out in a couple of months that are FM patches made with Plogue's OPS7 emulating a Yamaha TX816.

One more thing of note is that you can easily use AI tools like Gemini and Claude to write your Decent Sampler AI scripts or snippets of code for them

[audiojunkie]

Is Decent Sampler format the only format that Gig Performer can export to?

Also, what type of copy protection does it use?

No Decent Sampler is a free sample player for Windows, Mac, and Linux. It's not open sourced but it is totally free to download and use

https://www.decentsamples.com/product/d ... er-plugin/

It has nothing in and itself to do with Gig Performer and is a entirely separate entity. Gig Performer just makes presets in its format that run on it

You don't even need software to develop presets for it's format outside it a text editor

It just looks at folders on your computer. Inside if the folder you place the samples for your preset and a graphic file if you wish. Then you create an XML file in a text editor

The XML file defines how samples are loaded, mapped to keys, and controlled via user interface elements

The XML code itself is very basic and very logical and tells the Decent Sampler plugin how to use the samples, and what controls and features it should use and where to put them onscreen. It also tells Decent Sampler how to use the graphic file to firm the basic of your GUI and where to put any knobs or controls and any drop down menus you want for your instrument

Decent Sampler has built in filters, and effects like reverb and delay. I am far from being a programmer and even I can figure out the XML for it. It's essentially a collection snippets of code

All Gig Performer is doing is making the samples and placing them in a folder, then it generates the XML file for you to make them into a playable instrument. The GUI for your instrument/preset will be plain vanilla however you can easily modify and cut and paste other elements from other Decent Sampler XML files right into it

There are also lots of people developing instruments for the format and either giving them for free or selling them at low cost. The Decent Sampler website had a section where you can find and download many of these

I am currently developing a few libraries that I hope to have out in a couple of months that are FM patches made with Plogue's OPS7 emulating a Yamaha TX816.

One more thing of note is that you can easily use AI tools like Gemini and Claude to write your Decent Sampler AI scripts or snippets of code for them

Right. But is the Decent Sampler format the “only” format it can output? Or can it output SFZ, SF2, etc etc?

Also, what kind of copy protection does Gig Performer use to protect its software from piracy? I don’t like copy protection that depends upon (requires) a company’s server to remain running in order to keep the software I purchased running.

[IvyBirds]

Right. But is the Decent Sampler format the “only” format it can output? Or can it output SFZ, SF2, etc etc?

Also, what kind of copy protection does Gig Performer use to protect its software from piracy? I don’t like copy protection that depends upon (requires) a company’s server to remain running in order to keep the software I purchased running.

Oh I see, Gig Performer's Autosampler will only only make presets for Decent Sampler. I hate to write only because most importantly it creates a unique selerate folder where all of the underlying WAV files for the samples exist

There are however several tools to easily convert the Decent Sampler preset to SFZ, Soundfont or whatever you want . I use ConvertWithMoss for this

As far as copy protection you have to log into their server once at install and then you never do again unless there is an update

[moss]

Also, what kind of copy protection does Gig Performer use to protect its software from piracy? I don’t like copy protection that depends upon (requires) a company’s server to remain running in order to keep the software I purchased running.

It is a bit hard to gid it up on their webpage:

From "Before you buy":
https://gigperformer.com/gig-performer- ... ion-policy

From the FAQ:

How does licensing work?

A single Gig Performer® Pro license allows you to activate up to five computers for your desired platform (Windows or macOS). So buying a macOS license lets you run Gig Performer® on five Mac computers simultaneously and buying a Windows license lets you run Gig Performer® on five Windows computers simultaneously.

We also offer a bundle consisting of both macOS and Windows license, which provides you with ten activations in total (up to five macOS and up to five Windows activations).

If you need to run Gig Performer® on a sixth computer, you can deactivate your license on one of your other computers and then activate it on the sixth computer. Or you can purchase another license.

[audiojunkie]

Also, what kind of copy protection does Gig Performer use to protect its software from piracy? I don’t like copy protection that depends upon (requires) a company’s server to remain running in order to keep the software I purchased running.

It is a bit hard to gid it up on their webpage:

From "Before you buy":
https://gigperformer.com/gig-performer- ... ion-policy

From the FAQ...

Thanks, Jürgen! I didn't think to check the licensing. Usually sites have it posted and available. It certainly sounds like it is using challenge / response copy protection. It's good to know.

I still want to investigate all of the possible options. My desire is to find a program that can autosample to multiple formats, and does not use challenge response. Oh, and supports linux as well, of course!

[Examigan]

IvyBirds, I would like to know your workflow using Arturia's samplers

3.)Emulator II V is much much warmer and analog sounding than the others thanks to its modeled SSM filters. Has 8 sample slots with no maximum sample times. The original hardware used a complex data compression scheme called DPCM with mu-law companding this data compression scheme was in the public domain and was used extensively by telephone companies in the 1980s. This allowed it to store the samples using just 8 bits at 27khz but sound like a 14bit sampler with much higher sample rate. The Arturia plugin models this perfectly by streaming playback of the samples off your hard drive and then applying the conversion which is why there is no maximum sample time

I have to try out what you mentioned here. Thanks for all the useful info!

[Funky40]

RE: Gigperformer:
when we update the PCs OS, do we HAVE to deactivate GPs license !
The workflow is straight forward.....just: easy to forget to do so

i don´t think it´s some response thing to a server.
The Dev/s and *the whole* GP homie crew are active on stage musicians. Pro or some semi pro but on a pro level active. They are extremly against anything that could create problems vs. any live shows. ANYTHING they do has more than anything else "live- on stage security and stability" of your ITB based rig in mind !

.....a PC/laptop that wants to call home from time to time is NOT aynthing any of these guys would want to deal with. It´s granted. ( read their: how to optimize your PC for live on stage ...or so....article / i have no link. sorry)



JFYI: for anything "live playing" is GP the state of the art. It is the leading host. In many ways. Everybody who have found their way to GP says that.

Who claims other has very specific, very usecase sensitiv requirements where another host might be better in a very specific detail. Or: they are just not exactly educated. Or sometimes they just have all their old work/setup on another host. Which has nothing to do with "good vs. better"

[Funky40]

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you do it this way.inside of GP with one of these methods than doing it with relayer

i understand what you are saying and where it is coming from
I actually already made a few (test) instruments with GPs Autosampler.

But you overlooked an important detail re. what i have wrote vs. that outlined (for me) "possible worklow":
my goal IS to create auto sampled instruments, but the sampling process *has* to incloude some CC based "parameter alteration" => per the single key i sample.

=> This - pitch and CC alteration- *has* to be run synchronised !
GP and its autosampler don´t do that.

What i do in GP is:
- i create morph controls CC mapped to HW controls
- literally everything i do in GP consists of such morph controls.


- so, i *want* to "play" or automate these morphs in sync vs. the incoming pitch. This is where this all has to go for me vs. autosampling.

- i actually did such readjustments already while auto-sampling just by hand. That´s not good enough in the long run for top results. It´s ok for some tests


- syncing such morph controls and use them in the autosampling process does allow to create sampled instruments otherwise not doable !
- even live playing, live jaming with these same morphs will never be same. The jam usage differs completly vs. a linearised sampling process.

[Etienne1973]

Björn Bojahr's Sampling Tools could be helpful, Funk40.

Freeware but very powerful and thought thru.

https://www.bjoernbojahr.de/software.html

Especially Session2WAV - extreme reliable and precise automatic WAV audio event cutter.

Website is exclusively written in German language.

If you need help don't be afraid to ask.

[IvyBirds]

RE: Gigperformer:
when we update the PCs OS, do we HAVE to deactivate GPs license !
The workflow is straight forward.....just: easy to forget to do so

i don´t think it´s some response thing to a server.
The Dev/s and *the whole* GP homie crew are active on stage musicians. Pro or some semi pro but on a pro level active. They are extremly against anything that could create problems vs. any live shows. ANYTHING they do has more than anything else "live- on stage security and stability" of your ITB based rig in mind !

.....a PC/laptop that wants to call home from time to time is NOT aynthing any of these guys would want to deal with. It´s granted. ( read their: how to optimize your PC for live on stage ...or so....article / i have no link. sorry)



JFYI: for anything "live playing" is GP the state of the art. It is the leading host. In many ways. Everybody who have found their way to GP says that.

Who claims other has very specific, very usecase sensitiv requirements where another host might be better in a very specific detail. Or: they are just not exactly educated. Or sometimes they just have all their old work/setup on another host. Which has nothing to do with "good vs. better"

It doesn't phone home ever, only when you do an install

When you install and then activate the software on a computer, it communicates with Gig Performer's servers to register that specific machine as one of your allowed activations.

You can do 5 times ,if you try to do a 6th it won't allow you to until you deactivate one of the others. You have to bring the one you want to deactivate online to do so. Once it's deactivated you can't use it on that machine anymore and it will open a slot to activate on another

I currently own two licenses for it so I can have ten activations

It's also a good idea to deactivate before you update to a new OS for example from Windows 10 to Windows 11 and then reactivate once that is complete

[Funky40]

If you need help don't be afraid to ask.

i had these tools on my older mac. Never made anything with it.
What tool do you have in mind vs. "what i like to achive" ?
From what i see is there nothing related to what i´m heading towards => combining CC mapipulation of parameters "while" autosampling. The CCs set per the "to be sampled" key

[Etienne1973]

If you need help don't be afraid to ask.

i had these tools on my older mac. Never made anything with it.
What tool do you have in mind vs. "what i like to achive" ?
From what i see is there nothing related to what i´m heading towards => combining CC mapipulation of parameters "while" autosampling. The CCs set per the "to be sampled" key

Session 2 WAV
https://www.bjoernbojahr.de/session-2-wav.html

Render/record your whole session as 1 WAV. Make sure you leave space between the events. Open that file in Session 2 WAV by Björn Bojahr. It will cut/slice everything to single notes. Very precisely and reliably.

[Funky40]

Render/record your whole session as 1 WAV. Make sure you leave space between the events. Open that file in Session 2 WAV by Björn Bojahr. It will cut/slice everything to single notes. Very precisely and reliably.

What´s your idea behind that ....vs. "my idea" ?
Wait, i think i start to understand:

You mean, i could run a sequenze from a DAW, inclouding my required CC automatisation, do the whole thing as just one recording,.....just leave a notable gap between each keys recording/sound,.....and then use session2wav as my "cut all into pieces" assistent ?



Okey, so the new workflow idea:
- i can take any DAW
- send midi trigger and midi CC to Gigperformer
- GP has a recorder option, i can just record within GP

- "then" have "session 2 wav" cut my file

....then i have all the autosampled .waves



then: how do i create a multisampled instrument from there ?
- since i end up with only the wavs in my hand.
- how´s that step looking ?
EDIT: ok, just found it, there are some instructions. need to check
https://www.bjoernbojahr.de/sampling-workshop.html

[Etienne1973]

@ Funky40

Do you sample your keys in a specific order? Pattern e.g. every 5th key upwards? It would really simplify the procedure.