AI Tracks based on short stories I let ChatGPT write.

[Hipster Bales]

I won't block the OP but I do question the purpose of this thread.

Are they expecting folks to come and praise the amazing work of a complete AI process? Because very few here will.

There's no joy in listening to them, even less joy thinking about the process. Does the OP have such little faith in their actually creative ability that they are happy to farm literally every part of the creative process to a machine?

To listen to it makes me sad on multiple levels.

I feel like suggesting that we need a specific AI Music forum here, but I then resent myself for suggesting any division between the people of earth; it isn't as if we dont have enough already!

Exactly, this forum is built for people looking to improve their music/mixes, not to dump AI tracks for clout.

[The King of the Sofa]

You do understand it takes a lot of work and not push a button. You all do not understand how I use ai. It is always the same.

[Hipster Bales]

You do understand it takes a lot of work and not push a button. You all do not understand how I use ai. It is always the same.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[CinningBao]

You do understand it takes a lot of work and not push a button. You all do not understand how I use ai. It is always the same.

This may be true but this forum is not chock-full of people looking to improve their prompting skills.

What exactly is 'your work'? Trying various different prompts?

Folks here want to talk about plugins and how well (or badly) they use them, how they use guitar pedals, which synthesisers they like which satisfy their synthetic desires, and many people showing off their newly created plugins (which they may or may not have used AI in varying degrees, from entire slop to backend stability), not talk about how to get better at prompting.

It's simple; art is when people use their hands and brain to shape and build or manipulate something. Art (for the majority of us) is not asking a trained brain to generate different permutations of an idea and picking the 'best' one.

Although there are plenty of folks in the AI forum looking, and very willing, to debate that.

[The King of the Sofa]

The idea the short story is about is my work

[The King of the Sofa]

Art are ideas. Thats why there are different kind of arts. Do you think making music is the only are? or painting? Or film?

No it is a bringing an idea to life. It all starts with an idea, there for the art is the ability to find idea's. The way you bring them to life is always different.

Saying that you are the only one creating art is therefor stupid, cause there are different expositions of art: picture, written, music.

Having an idea and bringing that to life is expressing art.

[The King of the Sofa]

I also master each track myself. You all think about pushing a button if you hear AI but you do not understand one still has to have a idea where the text needs to be about.

I do not click on a button that says: generate track. I explained myself numerous times, but you all think you know better then me how I use AI.

You all have a point of view about it and reality is clear: you are all are right, and I who use it, just misunderstands it all.

Yes ofcource.

[The King of the Sofa]

You know what is pathetic? How you all fear the future and cling on lies about it to make your point. That is pathetic in my eyes. How you treat others very badly, because they us ai, that is pathetic to me.

How you try to explain someone who uses it on what they are doing, and when this person claims something else, stick by the lies you make yourself.

That is pathetic. In the end you all are the ones that are being pathetic.

[Hipster Bales]

I also master each track myself. You all think about pushing a button if you hear AI but you do not understand one still has to have a idea where the text needs to be about.

I do not click on a button that says: generate track. I explained myself numerous times, but you all think you know better then me how I use AI.

You all have a point of view about it and reality is clear: you are all are right, and I who use it, just misunderstands it all.

Yes ofcource.

Since when did I say that? If we came across as mean then we apologize for it.

[CinningBao]

Yeah, there is misunderstanding of tone here.

I'm not saying your (OP) art isn't valid, but you do literally say

"At the beginning I had an idea and pitched it in a promp, at the end I was making chatgpt write lyrics about the ideas and even give suggestions for mood and vibe, and BPM."

Folks here are used to (and enjoy the process of) 'old-school' music/song writing techniques. These include (but are not limited to) picking up or sitting down at an instrument and playing it. People who do this sometimes also might find the ability or urge to sing while playing. Or maybe they're an artist, sitting down at their canvas or table with an idea (a vision in their mind) about what the end result will look like on the material. This will usually have been informed by the artist's life of curiosity and consumed-material, picking the elements of the artworks which make them feel as if they are getting closer to being able to express their true self on the canvas/rock/sand/glass.. their chosen material.

And then there's this other bit where we employ bits of tech and other people's experience to do the 'hard work'. Presets, drum beats, chord sequences, even song templates can all be purchased and used in creative moments. The user (human) still has to select and choose the right sound or rhythm or chord sequence to work with. It is akin to the idea that DJs weren't 'real musicians' in the 90's. They might not be able to program a drum beat (many can, that's nothe point) but the good ones do understand what a music is doing to the emotions and feelings of the listener, and with that knowledge can create long-form music experiences which do what they are supposed to do; take the listener on a journey and transport them into a world of movement and lights.

For most of us, the problem with using AI to generate music is that all of what I just mentioned is forgotten. An AI artist has to guide the brain and 'tease' the humanity (if there even _was_ any) out of it, because that's what people respond to, and they know it.

I'm not here to reduce the value of your work, but I am another human being trying to understand what we actually get out of our waking moments. And ultimately I struggle to believe that farming off creativity to AI will bring the creator any long-term pleasure. In my experience, humans enjoy human expressions, not technological expressions, and the few people I've worked with who _have_ used some form of AI to 'write something' realise, in the long-term, that they infact _do_ have the ability to do what they thought couldn't.

In a nutshell, there is a deep conflict in the worlds of art (music, books, the visual arts..) about how much of your art one can farm off to an artificial intelligence (artificial being the word which seems to have been forgotten) and it still be considered, and this next bit is in quotation marks for good reason, 'good art'.

Ultimately we all do what we feel, right? But I do think we should be able to defend our reasoning for the choices we make and to have interactions on a non-combative level, which is what I'm trying to do here.

[zerocrossing]

I'm blocking you because this is pathetic in a way I can't take.

What is this?

Sometimes the actions of someone are so pathetic that it makes me sad that a human can live that way, so I put them on ignore.

[Bombadil]

Report I read said that 44% of new music uploaded has been largely done by AI. That % is increasing.
Yup, pathetic that humans, following in the steps of ancestors who first carved flutes out of bones, drums from skins, continue to be so damn insistent on the pleasure, even the need, of learning how to write compelling prose or lyrics or music.
You attempt to turn your feckless laziness into a virtue.
Fail.

[Hipster Bales]

Report I read said that 44% of new music uploaded has been largely done by AI. That % is increasing.
Yup, pathetic that humans, following in the steps of ancestors who first carved flutes out of bones, drums from skins, continue to be so damn insistent on the pleasure, even the need, of learning how to write compelling prose or lyrics or music.
You attempt to turn your feckless laziness into a virtue.
Fail.

Why do people prompt music to an AI service? If you're on a music forum you should want to learn a DAW or sound design.

[Bombadil]

Ask them. I can‘t see what they get out of it, especially something as obnoxious as this thread.
I‘ll just file all this under ‚People Unclear on the Concept.‘

[CinningBao]

Youtube's been pushing this vid to me for the last week so I thought I'd watch it, it's about a professional songwriter (with awards and number ones) using Suno to flesh an idea out. He mentions a lot that what he's doing is no different to hiring pro musicians and 'prompting' them looking for ideas. That's a debate for another day but ultimately he's paying Suno to save time and money to get results he's happy with. Saving money but not paying real musicians to explore an idea with their emotions and saving time by using a 'shortcut to expression' and that expression isn't human, it's a mimic. A good one, but a mimic.



I watched that video after watching this



It's a guy talking about how he found Suno on his kids' devices and gave it his old 'badly produced' (entirely subjective) songs which it then over-produced, and the guy loved it. So he used it in earnest to work on his songs. Then at some point he realised how little actual human feelings his music contained (being over-produced with perfectly sung vocals, 'better' instrumental production..), even his kids said they preferred his voice..

It all makes me deeply sad that humans are choosing to not work on themselves in the various ways which ground us, and instead are lazy about self-care. But at least the guy in the second video posted here is talking about how he realised using it was taking is humanity from him.

Food for thought.