Everything You Need to Make Release Quality Music for FREE!

[FaX]

Hello! cheap is not free = my point

Fine, if you want to be a pedantic dickhead you take into account the fact that if you didn't buy food to sustain yourself you would die and never get anything done. But if you already have a computer and you have something in the fridge to keep you going, you can do the rest for free. Is that clear enough for you, moron?

As to your red herring about "release quality", you know as well as I that it is not something that can be satisfactorily defined which is why I continually ignored it. By the same token, you knew exactly what I meant by it, making you a double dickhead for bringing it up.

As I said the only thing that's FREE is f**king TALENT -if you don't have it all this shit infact this whole thread is absolutly pointless.
To be brutally honest I can just sit at my piano and write music or with a guitar or a bamboo flute ,melodica etc - I don't NEED a friggin Computer.
And Bones - seriously I ask you ... who the hell is starting to look and sound like a pedant in this thread hmmmmmmmmmmm.....


I swear sometimes you're beyond opinionated it's like you're sprouting phylosophies from the vaccuum inside your ASSHOLE - Jesus Christ you give us Aussies a bad name (you're like a f**king Yankie tourist with the wrong accent)
Either that or you're gonna confess that you're the love child of John Howards ANUS or something

[BONES]

The proof would be some references to "quality" artists

That would just come down to your definition of quality which would invariably include some aspect of the artists' commercial appeal which is completely irrelevant in my view. I could rattle off the names of dozens of "quality artists" who you would never have heard of because they onlt sell a few CD's. Apparantly Portion Control used loads of free stuff on their latest double-album but I haven't heard it so I don't know whether its a good thing or not. To date we have done pretty damned well using freeware, certainly we have achieved far more in terms of quality than we ever did with 20+ grand's worth of hardware.

If I have time I want to include a bonus track on our next album made entirely with freeware inside eXT. Time is the enemy, so I don't know if it will happen but I would like to give it a go.

[BONES]

As I said the only thing that's FREE is f**king TALENT -if you don't have it all this shit infact this whole thread is absolutly pointless.

Pig's arse! I have zero talent and I get by just fine.

To be brutally honest I can just sit at my piano and write music or with a guitar or a bamboo flute ,melodica etc

Nothing I'd want to listen to. And writing is not the be-all and end-all, we're talking about production. Where the material comes from is secondary at best. You could download a MIDI file off the net and turn it into a top-40 hit. In fact, we're hoping ot do just that.

Jesus Christ you give us Aussies a bad name

"Us"? Really? You're from Melbourne, the enema-central of the universe. What the f**k does "us" mean?

[SampleScience]

You cannot count Traktion as a freeware since you need an activation code that is available only until 15 jan 2005.
I would replace it by Skale Tracker, Psycle or Buzz. All good software application to make music.

[Caleb]

Cool thread Bones - something I've done recently is setup someone's home virtual studio using nearly 100% freeware.

The only paid item is EnergyXT (demo at this stage as I haven't got around to purchasing his license for him - soon jorgen ). I could have gone Traktion actually, but I wanted him to use a host I knew reasonably well so I could help him.

I think the expenses do start to mount a little if you want to record vocals properly or external instruments - but if that's not an issue you can probably use your computer and a decent consumer soundcard and your home stereo.

My friend is more interested in real instruments, orchestral-related (musicals actually) but let's not completely writeoff free soundfonts for this. OK - they might not compete with VSL or anything like that, but that doesn't mean you can't produce decent orchestral pieces with these even if you might be at a disadvantage.

So anyway - I basicly have a CD with all my prefered freeware, a demo copy of EnergyXT and a shitload of accumulated free soundfonts. I can now set anyone's system up.



Caleb

Small disclaimer: I do not use only freeware (although I do use it) and EnergyXT in my system and in fact my system is based around Creamware cards and I do purchase professional sample libraries. I don't think this means that my opinion on a freeware setup is invalidated necessarily. However, I do prefer professional sample libraries to free soundfonts.

[BONES]

I worry about my free string soundfonts but our label asked us to extend a strings chord at the end of one of our songs because they think it sounds so lush by itself. And you know what? I think the're right and its all in my mind because I know it was a freebie. That's why, at the end of the day, it comes down to people assessing your work on its merits - when they buy your album they won't know which instruments were used [although we tell 'em in the sleeve notes] and 99% of them won't care as long as it sounds good.

[FaX]

Oh well if Melbourne is the Enema Capital of the Universe remind me to throw my deusch bag in your face the next time I visit Sydney.

SYDNEY....... where the MEN are MEN and they don't f**k WOMEN



























PS: Wish you where beautiful the weather is here

[FaX]

[quote="BONES]"Us"? Really? You're from Melbourne, the enema-central of the universe. What the f**k does "us" mean?[/quote]

Everybody ELSE other than YOU obviously !!!!!!

[xander]

er... Not to change the subject, but to change the subject, anyone of you lads from 'Down Under' know Charlie Bevk over at 'Guitar Crazy" in Sydney?

Really cool guy and he is selling my Dobro...

St. Kilda rocks and the Rocks are happenin! Oils Ain't Oils and the Oils are also good. The Chisel is so Cold too!

So let's hit the frog & toad eh?

[Caleb]

I worry about my free string soundfonts but our label asked us to extend a strings chord at the end of one of our songs because they think it sounds so lush by itself. And you know what? I think the're right and its all in my mind because I know it was a freebie.

Yeah I have a freeware cello soundfont that I use alot in preference to paid-for libraries (thus far).

And in alot of popular music styles near enough quite often is good enough for this sort of thing.

A great deal of listeners won't know how to differentiate and probably won't even care to. You could spend your time with your system struggling under the weight of a massive string library to find out that no one would particularly notice its absence if you used a free string soundfont.

Of course - like anything - it depends.

Caleb

[2windy]

Wow, can't believe Bones got this much grief for simply pointing out that it IS possible to make release quality music on a extremely low/free budget (taking into account PC, soundcard, blah blah blah if you want to argue).

This sort of thread would have been invaluable to me 2 years ago as a newb, frantically searching round the VST world for new experiences. It might of even stoppped my buying my first (misguided) couple of VSTi's.

It doesn't matter that he may or may not use what he's recommended (even if some statements may be hypocritical), the initial post was a valuable insight into what options are available to anyone starting out in the world of VST coming from someone that has released 2 more albums than 90% of the members here.

I imagine that there are many 'lurkers' here that have downloaded freeware because of this post. Producing music is about enjoying writing this stuff in the first place and then hopefully other people enjoying listening to your creations. Nobody moans that a track in the Music Cafe is written with Freeware, if a track sounds good it sounds good whether it was made with Pro Tools and Reaktor or made by slapping my arse.

Give the man a break, hell he even put a synth out to help those new to programming at one point.

Yes, talent does come into it but on Bones suggestion you can find out if you have talent for free using a variety of tools.

It is possible (with a bit of creativity) to produce music using the items mentioned. Hell even Liam Howlett started on a W30.

[AD80]

Wow, can't believe Bones got this much grief for simply pointing out that............

Well sayd. I wish I would have studied the freeware stuff out there before going out and buying a bunch of commercial synths that do the same thing. Theres so many good freebies out there. More than enough to make good music. Even including hosts, theres plenty of good sub 100 dollar hosts out there.

[saikhuan]

another cool free plugin.

"ambience"

i use it all the time for reverb effect.

[FaX]

Wow, can't believe Bones got this much grief for simply pointing out that it IS possible to make release quality music on a extremely low/free budget (taking into account PC, soundcard, blah blah blah if you want to argue).

This sort of thread would have been invaluable to me 2 years ago as a newb, frantically searching round the VST world for new experiences. It might of even stoppped my buying my first (misguided) couple of VSTi's.

It doesn't matter that he may or may not use what he's recommended (even if some statements may be hypocritical), the initial post was a valuable insight into what options are available to anyone starting out in the world of VST coming from someone that has released 2 more albums than 90% of the members here.

I imagine that there are many 'lurkers' here that have downloaded freeware because of this post. Producing music is about enjoying writing this stuff in the first place and then hopefully other people enjoying listening to your creations. Nobody moans that a track in the Music Cafe is written with Freeware, if a track sounds good it sounds good whether it was made with Pro Tools and Reaktor or made by slapping my arse.

Give the man a break, hell he even put a synth out to help those new to programming at one point.

Yes, talent does come into it but on Bones suggestion you can find out if you have talent for free using a variety of tools.

It is possible (with a bit of creativity) to produce music using the items mentioned. Hell even Liam Howlett started on a W30.

Well yes the point of the first post was valid .
I do quite often agree with Bones and I'm pretty sure likes to give shit just because he can.
I will still say this in Bones defence.
The Man dishes it out.
He does however cop it sweet when it's dished back.
I really would take the crap between him and I (in this thread) with a grain of salt .
I sure as hell know Bones would.
So he rubs me the wrong way sometimes big deal.
Lets face it ....He knows how to push buttons .
I'm just a faceless gimp from the Enema Capital of the Universe after all .

My point was that Bones can blow smoke out his arse all he wants about having no talent .
If he had no talent he wouldn't get the gigs he gets, get to support some of the artists he has supported or be able to release material that people buy.
Creativity and Talent are somewhat synonymous IMHO.
I do agree that you don't need to spend $$$$$$ to get a good sound.
There is enough freeware that out there that does as good a job as the vast majority of payware.
Ideas are funadmentally more important than the tools employed.
Be it XYZ HOST / Orion / Fuity / Reason /Payware/ Shareware / Freeware etc etc if you've got the skills ,talent and creativity the end results will show that.
It reminds me of all the hardware gearwhores I used to know.
I always preferred 4-5 pieces of great kit I knew inside out really well than a wall full of racks / modules / patchbays / effects / samplers etc ...
It isn't what you use it's how you use it.

[FaX]

And to get it back on track ....

I'd suggest -

Asynth
Augur
Crystal
Motion 2.8
Texture 1.2 (poly version)
String Theory
PolyIblit
Iblit
Plugsound Free
Seeq One
Quantum 64
Morpheus
Slifty / Splonky
Ambience
Cyanide
Rock
Ensembler
Synth 1
Superwave P8
SuppaPhaser
Digital Fishphones comps
etc etc etc

As damn good starting points.