History of the KVR Developer Challenge-Very Old Thread
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- KVRian
- 1325 posts since 1 Sep, 2004
The ironic of this thread is that funny.
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- Banned
- 6127 posts since 1 Apr, 2004 from Et in Arcadia Ego
Because that would require something more intellectually taxing than the simple lizard brain talent of Talking Shit..tuz wrote:why don't you help us then? instead of philosophizing maybe you could throw in a productive idea or something. and sorry about the slap.
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- KVRian
- 1325 posts since 1 Sep, 2004
A tip: Maybe you should ask the developers.
(Not so much the people who actually merely "expect" the results of that "battle".)
And my "sarcasm" had also some serious background (regarding the difference of SE users and developers who fight with an real programming language).
(Not so much the people who actually merely "expect" the results of that "battle".)
And my "sarcasm" had also some serious background (regarding the difference of SE users and developers who fight with an real programming language).
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- KVRAF
- 2548 posts since 7 Jul, 2003 from Huntington, WV
That's odd, I know lots of people with a "serious background" who aren't continually sarcastic and overbearing for no reason at all. Of course, you're not one of them.jackle&hyde wrote:A tip: Maybe you should ask the developers.
(Not so much the people who actually merely "expect" the results of that "battle".)
And my "sarcasm" had also some serious background (regarding the difference of SE users and developers who fight with an real programming language).
Even if you know a lot about programming with a "real" language (whatever is real to you), that is absolutely no justification for being such a sarcastic and demeaning person.
Sweet dreams,
McLilith
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- DC TC
- Topic Starter
- 2518 posts since 30 May, 2004
jackle&hyde wrote:A tip: Maybe you should ask the developers.
(Not so much the people who actually merely "expect" the results of that "battle".)
And my "sarcasm" had also some serious background (regarding the difference of SE users and developers who fight with an real programming language).
if I understood you correctly :
can you truly say that the battle is being lost though? I really hope the developers respond more to this and provide feedback as to how this would work for them. I mean this whole thing is for them. and why does it even have to be a battle? do you think that knowing hardcore html will make you a better web designer? don't you think having dreamweaver which automates html could enable you to do better than the "hardcore" pontificator who comes here and shits all over this thread by opening one can of worms after the other. I say let's use our brains and think of what we can do? or think if we should do something at all?
I think it would be nice to do such a thing... but that's just me and a few others so far. there's still hope though. it's only been a day, not even. and people kind of got interested.
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- KVRAF
- 2548 posts since 7 Jul, 2003 from Huntington, WV
Hi tuz,
Don't pay too much attention to J&H. He's nasty like this to lots of people. Trust me, he doesn't need a reason--he's just a very rude person. If you have something positive you want to accomplish, (and your project and intentions seem very positive to me), don't let J&H stomp on your dream.
take care,
McLilith
Don't pay too much attention to J&H. He's nasty like this to lots of people. Trust me, he doesn't need a reason--he's just a very rude person. If you have something positive you want to accomplish, (and your project and intentions seem very positive to me), don't let J&H stomp on your dream.
take care,
McLilith
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- KVRian
- 1325 posts since 1 Sep, 2004
If you want to make an SE contest, so do it.
But if you want to make a "developer" contest, so do that.
An explanation: You actually can build a synthesizer or a sampler or effect or whatever inside SE with a view mouse clicks. You are then a user of an usual Windows(TM) application. Of couse you meight be a creative one and skilled one or whatsoever.
But if you try to perform even that step with a low or higher level programming language like C/C++ or ObjectPascal, you actually have more possibilities, but also have significantly more work, need significantly more time and need significantly more experiences in that entire area. You are a highly specialized person then. (Remember that most products you use today (including the best VST plugins) are a result of entire developer teams).
In short: this is - let me say - quite a little bit unequal, not to say unfair.
Are you user of a ready developed technology or are you a maker, a developer of a technology.
So try to define the term "developers" in this thread at first.
The other side which is very funny is: That suddenly all kind of people start to rave about a battle, without asking the actors of such planned game first.
Maybe you should contact developers first and ask them, what they think about that.
The entire thing is currently build on user expectations and wired ideas from the sight of people who are obviously no developers but consumers of VST effects.
Ant try to ask yourselves: Are all the results of such a battle really useful for the actors of this game too? Or is it merely an vague imagination, an "illusion" you have currently?
But if you want to make a "developer" contest, so do that.
An explanation: You actually can build a synthesizer or a sampler or effect or whatever inside SE with a view mouse clicks. You are then a user of an usual Windows(TM) application. Of couse you meight be a creative one and skilled one or whatsoever.
But if you try to perform even that step with a low or higher level programming language like C/C++ or ObjectPascal, you actually have more possibilities, but also have significantly more work, need significantly more time and need significantly more experiences in that entire area. You are a highly specialized person then. (Remember that most products you use today (including the best VST plugins) are a result of entire developer teams).
In short: this is - let me say - quite a little bit unequal, not to say unfair.
Are you user of a ready developed technology or are you a maker, a developer of a technology.
So try to define the term "developers" in this thread at first.
The other side which is very funny is: That suddenly all kind of people start to rave about a battle, without asking the actors of such planned game first.
Maybe you should contact developers first and ask them, what they think about that.
The entire thing is currently build on user expectations and wired ideas from the sight of people who are obviously no developers but consumers of VST effects.
Ant try to ask yourselves: Are all the results of such a battle really useful for the actors of this game too? Or is it merely an vague imagination, an "illusion" you have currently?
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- KVRAF
- 2460 posts since 3 Oct, 2002 from SF CA USA NA Earth
How about we define "developer" as someone who can make a VST plugin using any tools they can buy, beg, or borrow, and make it available for download so it can be judged.jackle&hyde wrote:{...drivel about SE developers versus native code developers...}
In short: this is - let me say - quite a little bit unequal, not to say unfair.
So try to define the term "developers" in this thread at first.
That leaves you out, I think, seeing as I haven't been able to find any of your creations.
Seriously - for a contest with a time limit on it, I think SE vs. everything else is a fairly level playing field. To do anything award-winning, an SE developer is going to have to do something which is conceptually out of the ordinary. Any serious native code developer already has a library of code modules they can reuse. I suspect native coders will have the edge, but there's no reason SE devs shouldn't try.
Don't do it my way.
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- KVRian
- 1023 posts since 8 Apr, 2003 from Östersund
Troll begone!
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Anyway, I'm in both ways. I'd be happy to give some money away and I'd be happy to make a fun plugin. It's a great idea tuz! Although like Ian I'd be interested if it was just for fun as well.
/Majken
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Anyway, I'm in both ways. I'd be happy to give some money away and I'd be happy to make a fun plugin. It's a great idea tuz! Although like Ian I'd be interested if it was just for fun as well.
/Majken
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- DC TC
- Topic Starter
- 2518 posts since 30 May, 2004
dude... if a person develops a plugin it doesn't matter how he did it. it's the personal preference of the "developer". the final result is the same: the medium which helps amateurs or pros come up with music. good or bad, you have to admit the result is THE SAME.
as for the "developers" being asked and stuff. I really hope they come here and post their opinions and tell us what would work for them. maybe they don't even want to be bothered. but don't forget. I posted this yesterday and this is just the beginning. I don't know how close the ending of this is at the moment. but I sure hope it's a pleasant one. it might not have attracted a lot of attention as of yet but hopefully it will. there's a time difference too. europe the americas australia and stuff. so I can see a few "developers" posting their thoughts tomorrow. and we'll see which direction it's going towards. don't forget rome wasn't built in a day.
as for the "developers" being asked and stuff. I really hope they come here and post their opinions and tell us what would work for them. maybe they don't even want to be bothered. but don't forget. I posted this yesterday and this is just the beginning. I don't know how close the ending of this is at the moment. but I sure hope it's a pleasant one. it might not have attracted a lot of attention as of yet but hopefully it will. there's a time difference too. europe the americas australia and stuff. so I can see a few "developers" posting their thoughts tomorrow. and we'll see which direction it's going towards. don't forget rome wasn't built in a day.
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- DC TC
- Topic Starter
- 2518 posts since 30 May, 2004
why don't we make it for fun then. we could still donate though can't we. I mean think of all the beer you can drink... or the porn you can buy... kidding aside anyone willing to put money in the pool should do so. and then we could praise you, put in our votes and speculate on whose plugin better. we'll all be gentlemen and display good sportsmanship. or screw the money and do it for fun. I don't know, obviously I'm not the decision-maker here. we'll just talk and see.
kidding aside anyone willing to put money in the pool should do so. and then we could praise you, put in our votes and speculate on whose plugin better. we'll all be gentlemen and display good sportsmanship. or screw the money and do it for fun. I don't know, obviously I'm not the decision-maker here. we'll just talk and see.-
- DC TC
- Topic Starter
- 2518 posts since 30 May, 2004
yeah show me your resume monsieur pontificator. it sure sounds like you're a developer. what have you done. impress us. weren't you the one that tried to do something with bioroid's plug. I thought it was cool. was that you?Borogove wrote: I haven't been able to find any of your creations.
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- Banned
- 6127 posts since 1 Apr, 2004 from Et in Arcadia Ego
I bid $50.
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- KVRian
- 1325 posts since 1 Sep, 2004
No. I wouldn't attempt to do so (impress you). Because I actually don't see any sense to do so.tuz wrote:yeah show me your resume monsieur pontificator. it sure sounds like you're a developer. what have you done. impress us. weren't you the one that tried to do something with bioroid's plug. I thought it was cool. was that you?Borogove wrote: I haven't been able to find any of your creations.
(I am generally not that sucess addicted. Else I would hold my products under your nose all the time and couldn't say what I really want to say for some reasons...)
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