Simple tests to compare M:M and MMV

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munchkin wrote: Krim, I really like your music and I like other people's music at KVR. I wouldn't get drawn into this silly discussion because it just takes time away from creating music. (He says having got drawn in. :oops: )

I don't care if people make music using a washboard and some pots and pans as long as it sounds interesting. I really don't believe that most people here give two turds about whether the MM sounds more authentic than MMV. It's splitting hairs. As long as they sound good (and they both do) that's all that matters IMO. It seems to me that these types of threads turn into a promotional arena for devs and their fanboys trying to slag the opposition. So I say leave them to it.

I just hope no one from KVR will spend less than a moment on this petty arguement. I hope they'll carry on enjoying what both synths have to offer and make cool music instead. 8)
Well, I guess you have to be reminded that not everybody here is a musician or use synthesizers for creating music. Some are engineers or sound designers and make use of synthesizers for other purposes other than music like sound effects for movie for example. Such technical aspects can be very important. This is not a competition thread for musicians. We're just looking for these synths weeknesses and strengths and see what they can and/or cannot do.

Like I said before, if this thread is not of your interest why even bother post or even read it? Let's stay on topic here.
L8ter Oscill8ters!

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The Mini1.wav definitely sounds like my MMV. My bet is that Mini2.wav is M:M and Mini3.wav Minimax. In any event, there is a lot more going on in the Mini2 and Mini3 sounds.

Man-machine, when are you going to reveal the true identity of each wav?

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I agree with above. 1-MMV 2-M:M 3-minimax

#1 is tuned a little sharp compared to #2 and #3. I fired up my MMV and flattened the note a bit and it matched the other's better.
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Nice to see someone thinks MiniMax is a Minimoog ;)


Mr A

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Mr Arkadin wrote:Nice to see someone thinks MiniMax is a Minimoog ;)


Mr A
No....Just a typo, sorry to disappoint :wink:

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Man-Machine wrote:
munchkin wrote: Krim, I really like your music and I like other people's music at KVR. I wouldn't get drawn into this silly discussion because it just takes time away from creating music. (He says having got drawn in. :oops: )

I don't care if people make music using a washboard and some pots and pans as long as it sounds interesting. I really don't believe that most people here give two turds about whether the MM sounds more authentic than MMV. It's splitting hairs. As long as they sound good (and they both do) that's all that matters IMO. It seems to me that these types of threads turn into a promotional arena for devs and their fanboys trying to slag the opposition. So I say leave them to it.

I just hope no one from KVR will spend less than a moment on this petty arguement. I hope they'll carry on enjoying what both synths have to offer and make cool music instead. 8)
Well, I guess you have to be reminded that not everybody here is a musician or use synthesizers for creating music. Some are engineers or sound designers and make use of synthesizers for other purposes other than music like sound effects for movie for example. Such technical aspects can be very important. This is not a competition thread for musicians. We're just looking for these synths weeknesses and strengths and see what they can and/or cannot do.

Like I said before, if this thread is not of your interest why even bother post or even read it? Let's stay on topic here.
Because it's just nit-picking based on preference and other bias. If you want to indulge in pseudo-science then be my guest but don't forget that this is mainly a site for musicians who use MM and MMV. After all who do you think these synths are designed for? My opinion is as valid as yours. But do carry on old chap... :wink:

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Im aware its an emulation, im also aaware the MM goes a lot further than that.

Seriously, how many of you have a Moog sitting there that you can do an A/B test with?

If the tests prove that neither sound like an original Moog, will you not buy them basd on that info only, or would you try them and see what they sound like?

Maybe i look at it a diff way to the rest of you :shrug:
Totally Agree...

The minimonsta failed to impress me and if it's closer to the real sound of the minimoog , then maybe i wouldn't have loved a real minimoog :hihi:

After all this hype for a year or so, the minimonsta should have nailed down the mmv without explanations or whatever, i'm not gonna do this test to convince myself that what i loved was wrong cause you guys says that you got it right ... :)

Again, Imposcar became a legend on its own, without nursering.

Secundo, The minimoog is not the most versatile synth, i still don't get why all your ressources got stucked to that project, when you could have offered us other synths to our arsenal.

Don't get me wrong the synth is good and well done and certainly not crap.

But us musicians don't verify scientifically that we feel is right or wrong, we just feel it or we don't that's it. imo

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maybe we should bring an original into the mix.
could be interesting....

huez 2000, usa

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Wish you would have swept the filters, I bet we'd hear even more of a difference.

Thanks for taking the time to do this. :)

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i own 3 original mini's (2) D-series and an R.A moog (early series).

recording some tones and parts aren't a problem really just for fun and comparison purposes. :>

huez2000, usa

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Kriminal wrote:Well, im not getting involved anymore (other than hosting files, cos im nice like that) i was just curious as to why ppl want to get o tech about everything. :D
Because many of us are at work. What would you rather do: Compare softsynths or face a never ending pile of paperwork? :hihi:

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huez2000 wrote:i own 3 original mini's (2) D-series and an R.A moog (early series).

recording some tones and parts aren't a problem really just for fun and comparison purposes. :>

huez2000, usa
I sure hope that you get around to doing it :)


This is the only page or site that I've run across that compared the Hardware Moog and Mini to some vsti's like MiniMax and MMV. Also compares CS-80 to CS-80V among others. Has been posted before but maybe some missed it.

German site translated.
http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... _tools[url][/url]
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well put!

loud is good. minimonsta good.

huez 2000, usa[/b]

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That translation throws up some oddities:
Even typical oily Synthesizer Solos succeeds Plug in
So come on, for a true comparison let's hear some oily solos :shock: on MMV, M:M, MiniMax and MiniMoog.

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Mr Arkadin wrote:That translation throws up some oddities:
Even typical oily Synthesizer Solos succeeds Plug in
So come on, for a true comparison let's hear some oily solos :shock: on MMV, M:M, MiniMax and MiniMoog.
lol! :hihi:

To my ears, the MMV sounds better than the MiniMoog from those tests. It has better dynamics and sounds thicker. My opinion of course.

MMV first, MiniMoog second.
http://download.keyboards.de/2004/04/40 ... ogv_01.mp3

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