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mn · Post by mn » Mon May 16, 2005 4:32 am

Torben wrote:We do not want those who supported this group buy to loose due to the absence of all those who did not!

Acolmiztli wrote:But it does bother me if I'm labelled as unsupportive.

This is the entire issue. Torben referenced people who did not support the group buy. You did not get in the group buy. Ergo, you did not support the group buy. Period. Replace the word supported in Torben's sentence with entered and ask yourself how pissed that makes you.

You further projected some feeling of yours, whatever it may be, and let your interpretation of this sentence expand to mean unsupportive of group buy=unsupportive of Torben=unsupportive of Kjaerhus=Torben doesn't appreciate other purchases I've made=Torben thinks because I bought GCO I should buy GUP=Torben is a dick. And you threw in the stuff about Group Buy rules to rationalize to yourself that you're just arguing a fine point of procedure.

Nothing wrong with that on the face of it, I've felt put off by similar things and actions by developers, but only in passing. But in this case i understand you, but I think you're wrong and IMO you completely overreacted.

And in closing, thanks Torben.

mayan · Post by **mayan** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:34 am

thanks torben...the electronic world is a better place for your products (at least my electronic world is) and your generosity on this deal is VERY appreciated.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:36 am

I already said I was wrong and to drop it. Its took restraint on my part to not resume argument with Sascha. It is only the knowledge that its futile to argue on a forum that I haven't.

I did not curse at people who tried to explain why they thought so. I cursed at people who tried to make me look like an idiot because I offended their own bizzare notion of the perfect VST company who can do no wrong.

Sure... I was wrong. But there was no need for certain people to be such c**ts about it.

rockstarfx · Post by **rockstarfx** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:40 am

Acolmiztli wrote:Sure... I was wrong. But there was no need for certain people to be such c**ts about it.

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:41 am

I read it as the company had a group buy – where if the maximum number of participants took part – this would enable you to obtain the maximum of discount.

However the group buy did not have the maximum of participants – but as a gesture of goodwill to those that did take part – they get the maximum discount anyway = they win and the company wins in the end.

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:42 am

If the response rate wasn't high, it might actually cost too much to be worth retrieving the difference. Between Shareit and the credit card companies, I guess that would cut into that.

Torben - would you consider emailing a special offer to all GCO-1 users who haven't bought this group deal but are perhaps kicking themselves?

Sometimes it's just timing that stuffs things up.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:43 am

rockstarfx wrote:
Acolmiztli wrote:Sure... I was wrong. But there was no need for certain people to be such c**ts about it.

Anyway, yes, Torbens products are very good at what they do. Really want him to do some sort of super kick as reverb.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:44 am

On a side note, how practical would it be to have a forum where vocals are posted instead of text? Might help to eliminate some hostility.

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:45 am

This whole thread has bits and pieces of my take on deal...KVR community indicates they dig GAC-1 but would like a cheaper 'lite' version, Torben makes it, Group buy is introduced, some loyal customers participate among others, hmmm...wher'd everyone go?, Torben is seemingly disappointed (maybe other factors here too) but still gives GB participants a nice break, we get on the forum and all second guess the motives behind the GB and messages and the meaning of life (from a VST point of view), Torben sits back enjoying a fine Ale and a bowl of popcorn enjoying all this publicity!

Someone else mentioned translation issues - that thought crossed my mind also - I don't speak Torbens' native language so I'm glad he has learned English!

greendoor - what are you saying about Voxengo compressors - they all sound and feel different to me. I've never had my hands on a Manley though so if you're comparing to that then I don't know...

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:45 am

Acolmiztli wrote:I already said I was wrong and to drop it. Its took restraint on my part to not resume argument with Sascha. It is only the knowledge that its futile to argue on a forum that I haven't.

I did not curse at people who tried to explain why they thought so. I cursed at people who tried to make me look like an idiot because I offended their own bizzare notion of the perfect VST company who can do no wrong.

Sure... I was wrong. But there was no need for certain people to be such c**ts about it.

You just read the despondency part in the statment, from not reaching the max participants is all, if he wrote it better (ie left out what he felt at the time of writing) it would have come across better - but over all the good thing is giving the participants the group buy price - even after feeling despondent from not reaching the max amount of participants - its just human

Best regards,

Peter

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:59 am

greendoor - what are you saying about Voxengo compressors - they all sound and feel different to me.

They are good - serious competition in fact. But - here is my experience, and what I was alluding to: A few years ago, I checked out all available compressors - free and commercial and bought a few. The Voxengo Polysquasher stood out as sounding special, but I soon found out it was useless for vocals. No attack and release controls, and not fast enough for my taste. Next thing, the Voxformer is released. Tried it - liked the sound so I had to buy it. Still a one trick poney, with no attack and release and therefore not really professional. Kjaerhus GCO-1 comes out, and has all the classic controls (and then some), low CPU and a great (albeit different) sound. Then Voxengo Crunchessor comes out - with attack and release controls. Tried, sort of liked it but heard some little distortion artifacts (this isn't marketed as a Mastering compressor after all). I was sufficiently impressed with GCO-1 so I didn't bother with Crunchessor. I bought Voxengo Elephant and Soniformer too - although Soniformer has been upgraded to something I find I no longer understand. Now - side chain and wet/dry mix are professional features I want. What to do? I've bought heaps of compressors in the last two years - i'm getting sick of it! Maybe I should have just gone to the top and bought a UAD-1 or Sonalksis or whatever - I don't know. Can you tell i'm frustrated? If starting again, I think I would buy the GUP-1. This sort of explains why I didn't rush into the group buy, but then again sort of wished I had.

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:44 am

greendoor wrote:What to do? I've bought heaps of compressors in the last two years - i'm getting sick of it! Maybe I should have just gone to the top and bought a UAD-1 or Sonalksis or whatever - I don't know. Can you tell i'm frustrated? If starting again, I think I would buy the GUP-1. This sort of explains why I didn't rush into the group buy, but then again sort of wished I had.

Oh yes I see. I thought I was the only one who had compressors coming out my...ears

I bet if you send Torben a secret email he might consider something - especially since you were already thinking about the GUP-1 but were pre-empted by some life or death life-threatening drama! Gotta get the GUP

greendoor · Post by **greendoor** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:00 am

I didn't mention Anwida or SuperCamelphat2 or Ultfunk Sonitus, which I also own - and numerous freebies. I'm a sad case. And after all that, i'm now prefering to yes far less compression that before!

Has anyone actually used the GUP-1 sidechain? Does it allow the use of another audio channel (say Kick drum)to duck the effected channel (say bass)? Or is it simply saying there is eq on the side chain? The site isn't clear and the manuals are aren't available to download.

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:11 am

The sidechain is a true 4 input VST plugin.

Torben · Post by **Torben** » Mon May 16, 2005 7:13 am

First I want to say thank you to kritikon for this fine post; a fine thing to wake up to

Acolmiztli, the last text on the group buy page was raw and unedited. As pointed out, English is not my native language and I can ensure you that it was not meant the way you have read it. The group buy went unexpectedly bad so of course I am disappointed. But I am not blaming anyone and I defiantly did not expect owners of GCO-1 or GAC-1 to join the group buy.

greendoor, GCO-1 is the flagship compressor and will always be. It was the concept from the start to make one compressor that could allot instead of 20 pcs of "one flavour" compressors. But there seemed to be a marked for a less complex compressor; at least, that was what I was told on several occasions.

Thanks
Torben

Kjaerhus - Wow, thanks Torben!