KVR Audio

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon May 30, 2005 10:35 am

If you want the notes to be ringing, why don't you just alter the release time? That way there'd be no need to program any extra one shot patch. The result should be the same.

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Mon May 30, 2005 10:56 am

Hi! Sascha – yes normally this would be the perfect solution – but sfz does not have this option on its gui and some hosts don’t allow the interaction with sfz to that level – and the one with the gui sfz+ does not load sfz files

but not all bad I think the project 5 studio can load sfz files.

I think leaving it as is, is probably the best option and if anyone wants the loop mode they can use any text editor and write in the line posted by Francesco

sorted

Best regards,

Peter

Bela D Media · Post by **Bela D Media** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:21 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:
Alan Lastufka wrote:Mooter, while we enjoyed your mp3, we need to ask you to please remove the nki link from your post as the license clearer states that the programming not be changed and redistributed. You are free to mangle the sounds for your own use, but not publicly redistribute that.
Alan, I'm actually not sure whether you could even ask for this. Over here this wouldn't hold any legal water.
He's not redistributing your samples and whether he altered your programming or did it from scratch is hardly proveable at all.

In addition, I find this restriction to be a bit tough as well. After all you should rather be happy about people posting variations as it shows your patch is of use.

Best,
Sascha

Sascha,

Is everything you wrote really necessary? This license agreement is what it is and I would think when you are getting something for free, you would be kind enough to respect that agreement. Our reasons are our own and do not need further explanation. It is obvious that our simple agreement is not being respected here.

Failed Muso · Post by **Failed Muso** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:28 pm

Hi Alan & Francis....

Thanks a million for this exquisite little package. I downloaded last night and loved the demos. As I am an Akai user, I hope it is ok for me to adapt these for my sampler.

When I loaded the samples up in to my Akai, I noticed they hadn't been normalized and were quite quiet. After normalization, there was a very noticable hiss in the background. I was wondering if this was normal ? Anyway, I can clean that up in one of my audio editors

When I have completed the conversion, I'd be more than happy to make it available to yourselves for distribution at your discretion. Let me know

Mille Grazie

Bela D Media · Post by **Bela D Media** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:31 pm

Lovesign wrote:Hi Alan & Francis....

Thanks a million for this exquisite little package. I downloaded last night and loved the demos. As I am an Akai user, I hope it is ok for me to adapt these for my sampler.

YES. IT IS!

When I loaded the samples up in to my Akai, I noticed they hadn't been normalized and were quite quiet. After normalization, there was a very noticable hiss in the background. I was wondering if this was normal ? Anyway, I can clean that up in one of my audio editors

When I have completed the conversion, I'd be more than happy to make it available to yourselves for distribution at your discretion. Let me know

THAT'S ALL WE ASK. THANK YOU - VERY COOL!

Mille Grazie

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:35 pm

Is the sfz file I done ok Alan/Bela - just to be sure? or would you rather it removed - and placed at your site? either way let me know

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

FaX · Post by **FaX** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:36 pm

rsmus7 wrote:
fr4ncesco wrote:I converted it into the sfz format. Anyone interested?

ciao
Francesco
if it can be loaded in the sfz free version I´m definitely interested.

SFZ is fine that's NNXT compatible in Reason

Bela D Media · Post by **Bela D Media** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:38 pm

It's very cool and thank you for making it. We just ask that we host it. We don't want our samples getting lost in cyber space and become unattached to the company. Feel free to contact us.

http://www.beladmedia.com/contact.htm

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:42 pm

Bela D Media wrote: Is everything you wrote really necessary?

Seems like...

This license agreement is what it is and I would think when you are getting something for free, you would be kind enough to respect that agreement. Our reason are our own and do not need further explanation. It is obvious that our simple agreement is not being respected here.

OK, so, let's think about some things:
What about people supplying other formats, such as sfz? That would be a license infringement as well, wouldn't it?
In addition, any license agreements are just valid as long as they're matching any laws.
For instance, if a (non-samplebased!) VSTi came with a license agreement saying things such as "you may not sample the sounds of this synth" it wouldn't hold up in ANY lawsuit. At least not over here. And I doubt it'd hold up in other parts of the world either.

In other words, Mooter hasn't been distributing your samples. He also hasn't necessarily altered your programming (I could set up a brand new patch in 2 minutes). So why worry?

Further, I don't think all this will do you good. I allready said so, I find it to be a nice gesture that your samples aren't coming in monolithic format - so they're up for further tweakings. Why disencourage people? Yes, I think it's quite OK to NOT allow redistribution of the sample content.
But then, the patch programming itself is quite another story.
In case you were really strict about it, you wouldn't allow for all the sfz talk (and posting of patches) either, because doing an sfz patch is just 100% the same as doing a new Kontakt patch.
And, sorry to say so, that'd be just stupid from a company's point of view. You want your samples to be praised (and they are pretty good, as I allready stated), so that in the end, your sales may increase, because people allready knew that your sample content would be top notch.

Don't get me wrong, I won't post any Kontakt variations myself... plus, you can continue to handle things in whatever manner you'd like.
But, to be sure, you won't get any praise from me at all.

Personally, I find it to be REALLY cool that people are coverting your (free) patch to other formats, so people being too poor to afford Kontakt could use them as well. I also find it really nice to fool around with variations (heck, even NI themselves is ASKING for that in their new Kontakt 2 library forum).

Don't you think forbidding such actions is a bit like shooting yourself in the foot?
People aren't stealing anything from you. If they'd plan to redistribute things and call them their own, they'd do it in other ways too (such as Papelmedia... or such as on the various "free" soundfont sites). And they'd do it anyways.
But right here, right in this thread, things are SOLELY happening to help people. They're not hiding anything.
And in my book this is looking like pretty much great propaganda for your sample sets.

You may think completely different about it though...

Best,
Sascha

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:46 pm

Bela D Media wrote:It's very cool and thank you for making it. We just ask that we host it. We don't want our samples getting lost in cyber space and become unattached to the company. Feel free to contact us.

See, this is the point I've allready been mentioning.
IF people wanted your samples to get "lost in cyberspace", completely unrelated to their original source, it'll happen anyways. You can't avoid this. Not even using monolithic Kontakt formats will help (as there's an easy way to extract patches and samples separately out of them, but no worries, I won't spread that information).
Supplying "patch only" material (without the sample content that is) however doesn't fit this. It's just people helping others out. And to actually get them patches playing back, people would still need to go to your site and grab the source patch.

Bela D Media · Post by **Bela D Media** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:47 pm

Wow. A book. No I don't agree with you. You are free to do whatever you like to the samples but we ask that you do not redistribute them on your own. If you have a great new version or another format - that is great and we thank. Simply allow us to host it. Seems simple and fair to us.

Bela D Media · Post by **Bela D Media** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:50 pm

FYI... This has been shown and respected a few times already. We will be setting up for new formats very soon. The formats have been made by others. We will host it and list credits and "Thank you to" on the Bela D site.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:51 pm

Oh and, in case my comments looked a bit harsh, please don't get me wrong: I REALLY like sample suppliers to actually hand out their patches in somewhat "open" formats (as opposed to "embedded" things), so this is highly appreciated.
It's just that I'd worry a bit less about people converting them into other formats, as long as the samples aren't included.
IMO it'd be the best idea to ask people for their additional patches, so you can host them on your site too. But "please take that link away" posts are just looking a bit harsh to me.

Bela D Media · Post by **Bela D Media** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:52 pm

I hear you and understand your points. It's all good. No fighting from us. Now send us some cool updates so we can host and list your credit!

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:53 pm

The 1k text file has been sent to Bela D

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

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