I hate this host because...

[hello1234]

Sonar?Cubase's Sonar...

Please, no host "naming"........it takes the fun out of it!

OOOOPSS!!!

My bad... I guess I oughta read the entire thread before I start posting! Ghaaaa... thousand apologies...

No big............it's a friendly reminder! besides I just let the "cat" out of the bag myself!

[hello1234]

Hate is too strong a word for it but I have had problems in a couple of hosts:

Host A: Was overpriced, insisted on using a dongle, and was over-complex and bloated, all within an interface that is frankly uninspiring (to me). Also it had poor developer support for customers.

Host B: Has bugs/issues affecting MIDI sequencing, Rewire, Rendering, various VSTs, several others, and has slow development (which is important when it comes to fixing bugs, especially). It has a user base that are continuously rude to each other, and even to "newbies" when they ask questions

Gee, I wonder which two those are............

I know, I know! Pick me! Pick me!

I never experienced Host A, because of price, reputation, and dongle.

I have used Host B quite a bit in the past. The biggest annoyance about it - other than the attitude that seems to go with it - is that it doesn't create ACID wav's correctly. Some products that follow the ACID spec are finding parts missing from Host B's output.

I've had Host C and Host B about the same amount of time (a freebie version of Host B was included on the CD for Host C). As I've moved somewhat away from loop-based work and more to traditional structure, I've been using Host C more and Host B less. Host C also has musical score support.

Recently I got Host D, which has some REALLY nice factory instruments, plays well on my laptop, and plays nicely with Host C. I'm using that most lately.

Hosts C and D both have an annoying way of using VSTI. Fortunately they both do it the same way, and I've gotten used to it.

Oh, and then there's Host Z, which was totally awful, waste of $149 (on sale!), has C/R copy protection (although another product from this vendor has been installed on four machines over two years and I haven't been locked out yet). It didn't handle instruments well, didn't handle MIDI well, basically was cut-and-paste for wav files. One of my more expensive musical mistakes. I hear the new release is even more bloated, but some people sing its praises.

Doug

OMG! (head spinning.........)

[james0tucson]

Looks cool Krim

Anyway, we're getting a bit too specific here This was just supposed to be a generalised moan-fest

It's pretty frustrating, actually. I wish people would come out with this kind of info and name names. Might save some of us a lot of money.

[hello1234]

edit sorry........

[hello1234]

Thanks. Just doing my part here. Frikkin' Computers!!! But, they'll be great when they're perfected.

Oh yea.......that's gonna happen........

[CorrosiveGod]

It's pretty frustrating, actually. I wish people would come out with this kind of info and name names. Might save some of us a lot of money.

I agree with you, becuase i want to look at the bad features of a host and make my own decisions.

[hello1234]

I'm ready to get hated on here

Host A - I hate this host because it is purple & green. Purple & green what the f**k were they thinking. Now I hear you can change these dumbass colors but still, the default color scheme is ridiculous. Further, using midi in this host was quite bad previously although it suppositely is now better. Dunno cuz I just can't handle looking at those colors any longer

Host B - I hate this host because they created, in my mind, a brilliant sequencer but then they decided to leave the windows platform. Thus making me very sad

Ah (oooooo, i'm gonna get for this.........)a very logical post.

[Bunnyboy]

...cause its not EnergyXT or Audiomulch!!

[smp]

Host A: because its developer is so responsive to user needs, feature requests and bug reports that I can never keep up with the latest version. Oh, and it can be so flexible as to paralyse me with choice...

At least, that's the excuse I use for not ever finishing anything

Host B: Not sure why, but I just rarely even fire it up now that I use Host A. OTOH, I have found it's rewire functions a useful way to hook up ReBirth and Host A when I feel like making life hard for myself

-s

[kaze]

I hate my host because instead of using it to make music, I'm always looking for a better host.

[hello1234]

I hate my host because instead of using it to make music, I'm always looking for a better host.

Yessir.........I do that too Although now that I have.....

Oh........can't say which one on this thread

[cron]

Host B doesn't have the ultra-simple "insert before/after" function that Host A does, which narks me no end. Host A doesn't have the MIDI (although I generally avoid it like the plague) functionality that Host B does.

Otherwise, Hosts A and B are the bombdizzle!

Especially A.

[bmanic]

Host A: because its developer is so responsive to user needs, feature requests and bug reports that I can never keep up with the latest version. Oh, and it can be so flexible as to paralyse me with choice...

That same Host A: because it's very flexible and has huge potential but still falls flat on it's face because of tons of 'little' things that are not finished and make it kind of akward to use for serious work. Also, it doesn't feel at all like it operates the same way in each window/section/part/editor. Every window seems to have it's own life and logic.. not good. And the biggest thing? It doesn't support DRAG+marking of the loop area nor play position indicator, one needs to click click click click click click click click click and try to aim at the correct location for ages.. GGGGGgggnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!



(just to give this awesome Host A some feedback required by this thread)

- bManic

[james0tucson]

Host A: because its developer is so responsive to user needs, feature requests and bug reports that I can never keep up with the latest version. Oh, and it can be so flexible as to paralyse me with choice...

That's really the first one where I'm absolutely sure I know what Host A you're talking about.

[james0tucson]

It's pretty frustrating, actually. I wish people would come out with this kind of info and name names. Might save some of us a lot of money.

I agree with you, becuase i want to look at the bad features of a host and make my own decisions.

Seriously, most reviews make an effort to paint a product in the best possible light. And posts about problems are usually very specific. I think it would be really great to look at it from the other direction, and find out what host sucks the least.

Here's mine:

Host M: I loved it at first, because it was the first multitrack recorder I got my hands on that actually worked on my system, and it was $60 in a regular computer store. I bought yearly upgrades to this host and finally cut the company off, due in large part to the hostile attitude of the support people, and the fact that they dropped the ball on 24 bit recording.

Host E: I feel like I'm part of the evolution of this one. It's as if it is a living, breathing thing. Not quite complete, and pretty spartan in its presentation, but it works extremely well, and it's the first place I go if I just want to put together a signal chain of instruments and fx and play live.

Host F: I have yet to find any serious fault with this host, even though it has its limitations and its quirks. It's still extremely useful, and I don't exactly use it in the way it seems to be intended -- it does the job quite remarkably well.

Host A: Probably not really a host, but the best damn thing strictly for audio ever.

Hosts C: I won't touch anything with a dongle. It will end up serving to violate my rights to my intellectual property by locking me out of my own creative content. That's not going to happen on my watch, period. I have no respect for a company that sets their product on a course where it can impede my rights as an author.

Host P: If you've got the hardware budget, and you can go the whole stretch, then by all means, lock yourself right on in.

Host R: On the short list of audio software that lets me under the hood, a starting place to develop more. Probably very useful, also, but I'm more interested in taking it apart than running it.

Host D: I'm buying it tomorrow. Next week or so I'll let you know how I hate it.

Host O: Maybe if I'd discovered it before Host F, my life would be different.

Host G: My next computer was going to be a Powerbook. Now the whole Apple platform is uncertain.

Host L: I was saving up for it, when PC support was abandonde. Oh well.

Host S1: If I can't deal with the company behind Host M, I sure as hell can't go here.

Host S2: $2500.00 and I don't know of a soul who uses it. I'm sure it's great. I'm also sure I'll never know.

Host N: I tried the demo on my laptop when I was bored on a business trip. Actually wrote a tune in it, but it kept crashing freealpha. Probably not the Host's fault, I didn't give it a chance, and I don't really hate it.

Host T: I didn't realize that getting in on the free version meant I'd be out when I upgrade my motherboard. Not wanting to be ungrateful, but the experience turned me right away from the product. Thanks but no thanks.

Host D: $800, Mac only, my videographer friend loves it, but he's got $45,000 just in lenses. Probably not the host for me. I'm sure I don't hate it though.