Art Acoustic or R66 Verb?

[Cinemascore]

Cinemascore - Your explanation makes a lot of sense. And your work sounds fascinating as well!!

Thanks, jplanet! It was a heck of a lot of work planning it all out and getting all of the kinks worked out of it back in the beginning.

[OMU]

[MacQ]

Hey Cinemascore,

Are you running multiple independent audio interfaces on these machines submixed (or cascaded) into a final medium (or back to your main DAW)? Or do you run a MIDI-over-LAN or FX-Teleport solution? I'm debating both options at the monet, as I'll be investing in a 5-way system (Master + 4 slave machines) in the near future.

Any anecdotal information is relevant.

Thanks,

~MacQ

[Sidhu]

we seriously could use more of cinemascore around.. that was a fantastic read. i really need to get on to testing reverbs in detail myself.

Tell me.. another school of thought states that you should put a bit of the lushest reverb (in the mix) across all tracks, to mantain a certain cohesiveness. You think differently ?

I would like to think of all elements in the mix in the same acoustic space, hence using a bit of the same reverb accross all tracks.

Sidhu

[greendoor]

I think the question of which reverb (AAR or R66) is better is a little bit pointless, because both are available as a demo. I've been raving about AAR since it came out, and it's now my first call reverb for everything. So I felt I needed to checkout the R66, and this is what I found - for what it's worth.

First up - I had to find a new unzip utility that could unzip a rar file. Maybe not an issue for others, but I found that a real nuisance. But I found a good freebie called UnZipEverything.

The first thing I noticed, after checking out the presets, was that this reverb obviously is a good sounding reverb worthy of hi-end professional use. However - several things are very annoying. For a start - you can't scroll back and forward through the presets - you have to manually select each from a messy menu. The limited number of presets seem to be duplicated several times - probably so users can overwrite them? The other intensly annoying thing is that the presets are not 100% wet send effects, neither are they 100% inline effects. They are all over the place, so it's a very frustrating experience just pre-veiwing the presets. Some sound very bad - but a few give a glimpse of what this is capable of.

So - this is reverb you definately have to tweak. Unfortunately, the gui is a bit of a pain to work with. The basics are there, but compared to AAR, it's not very nice to work with. I tried setting the balance between early reflections and reverb to 100% reverb for tweaking. I was frustrated to find that - even when the early reflections are fully off, the parameters for early reflections affect the parameters for the reverb tail. This makes it very hard to understand and to work with - not intuative. As far as parameters go - it is very easy to end up with bad sounds, sproing resonances, or just multiple simple delays. Much of the time I felt I was working with a delay unit, not a reverb, but without the benefit of an intuative interface.

However - with the right tweaking, some of the sounds possible are fantastic. I can fully understand Lexicon users deciding to sell their Lexicons - because I think R66 is capable of very Lexicon-ish flavors (big, artifical if you like that sort of thing - I do).

Comparing AAR with R66 - both are fantastic reverbs that finally are competing head-on with expensive hardware and conbolution reverb. They both offer more than the current crop of excellent freeware or cheap VST reverbs. AAR is the hands down winner for interface design, presets and ease of tweaking a great reverb sound for any application. It has far more editabily, and inverse functions for rythmic grooving stuff. It is practically impossible to get a bad sound out of AAR - although it can do sproingy boingy noises if you want. R66 is lacking in features, and can very easily make some bad sounding reverb. But it can also make so outstandingly nice reverb tails, which makes it desirable. Having AAR, I don't know if i'll bother with R66 - but if I have some spare cash at some stage, it might be nice for some different flavors. I think the R66 is more artificial sounding (I mean that in a good way), and with some of the sounds I kept going back to Glaceverb and Classic verb to see how close they were - and often they were very close. For me, AAR and R66 have proved that I don't need to consider hardware or even cardware for high-end reverbs.

[dlt123]

Hi guys, I decided to check out R66 and downloaded the VST. When I ran it in Live 4 the beep was so annoyingly loud, I had to dump it. I tried to lower the volume on the track I had it on, but I could barely hear what I was testing it with.

I mean it was horribly loud!!

Did anyone else have problems with their nagware beep?

Man, I would sure like to check out R66. Oh well, moving on.

DennisT

[greendoor]

Yes - it's a shocker. The way AAR demo inserts silence is far smarter.