A) Does FS indeed play up to 96 notes?
B) Under Windows SX is performing quite a bit worse (usually around 20-30%).
C) On individual tests, the differences aren't even halfway as apparent as on "reallife" tests, using a mix of audio tracks, instrument and FX plugins.
Thank Apple for that!!!
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
And I forgot to add: Are you really getting 768 voices out of filterscape?
My current machine (an Athlon 2800) usually doesn't perform all that bad, still I can't even playback 100 voices (it stops at around 80), using the initial setting.
I know that dual G5s are great powerhorses but couldn't imagine a performance that much better - I mean, it's more than 10x better.
My current machine (an Athlon 2800) usually doesn't perform all that bad, still I can't even playback 100 voices (it stops at around 80), using the initial setting.
I know that dual G5s are great powerhorses but couldn't imagine a performance that much better - I mean, it's more than 10x better.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- u-he
- 30216 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Uhm... errr... oh... that's 8 x 8 voices... initialize is set to "medium" voices which is an average of 8 voices when you hold chords...jdg wrote:768 voices for 5bars (8 intances with 96 notes each instance)
(I was almost shitting myself... my 1.8 G5 single maxes out at 40 or so voices, never checked...)
Btw. Emagic says that their cpu meter works "conservatively", so it mostly looks busier than it really is... you should check AU performance in AU Lab (in Tiger Dev Tools), this looks more reasonable.
And on topic: I can not imagine that there would be a noticable difference between VST and AU.
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
Oh, 8 voices then... that's making my machine puke at around 30 then.
[Edit]: Urs, are you sure about 8 voices at "medium"? I can clearly play more voices with nothing getting stolen.
[Edit]: Urs, are you sure about 8 voices at "medium"? I can clearly play more voices with nothing getting stolen.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRist
- 381 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from purple
only 8? so 8x8 then 
i can count
i can count
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
Hmmmm... this is getting more confusing.
As said, for me FS/VA is playing back more than 8 voices, using the "initialize" setting. On the other hand, I can't imagine any machine playing back 8x96 voices (otherwise we'll never need new computers again), so I think we need to know the voice limit before proceeding with any tests.
As said, for me FS/VA is playing back more than 8 voices, using the "initialize" setting. On the other hand, I can't imagine any machine playing back 8x96 voices (otherwise we'll never need new computers again), so I think we need to know the voice limit before proceeding with any tests.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRist
- 381 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from purple
how about an FM7 test?
i have that.. in VST an AU..
let me do that
i have that.. in VST an AU..
let me do that
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- KVRist
- 381 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from purple
Ok.. with FM7, both hosts CPU meters are about 60% with 256 voices.
i used 4xFM7 with 64 poly each.
so.. FM7 mac VST and AU in Cubase and Logic are pretty much the same CPU wise.
i used 4xFM7 with 64 poly each.
so.. FM7 mac VST and AU in Cubase and Logic are pretty much the same CPU wise.
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
Amazing performance figures, I must say. Can't even get halfway close to that with my current machine.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRist
- 381 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from purple
these G5s are the best obsolete machines ever!
i was using the 'exciting' preset (first one in the default bank)
i was using the 'exciting' preset (first one in the default bank)
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- KVRist
- 228 posts since 27 Apr, 2005
errr...these G5s are the best obsolete machines ever!
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Best,
midi.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8702 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from leroyaumeuni
are those obsolete then?Midi_Glider wrote:errr...these G5s are the best obsolete machines ever!
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- u-he
- 30216 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
No, I'm not sure. I'm using a lot of weird tricks for the voice management, so it kinda depends... but I'm pretty sure that held notes should be 8 voices...Sascha Franck wrote:Urs, are you sure about 8 voices at "medium"? I can clearly play more voices with nothing getting stolen.
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- KVRist
- 284 posts since 9 Mar, 2004 from Richmond, VA
and to answer spaceman's question,
if you ONLY have logic, then might as well just install the AU version of a plug-in, if one exists... otherwise you have to use the VST to AU wrapper... and install the plug-in's ONLY vst version...as that's the only version available...
do you see what I mean?
of course, if you use both Cubase and Logic, you need the VST version for Cubase, as it definitely DOESN'T support AU, and if you can, install the AU version to run in Logic...
for best results:
Logic = AU plug-ins (if available)
Cubase = VST plug-ins (if available)
and heck, while we're at it
ProTools = RTAS plug-ins
and drat, what's the format from MOTU?
Oh yeah,
Digital Performer = MAS
isn't it nice that each company makes their own standards?
how nice for us users, how simple and delightful
if you ONLY have logic, then might as well just install the AU version of a plug-in, if one exists... otherwise you have to use the VST to AU wrapper... and install the plug-in's ONLY vst version...as that's the only version available...
do you see what I mean?
of course, if you use both Cubase and Logic, you need the VST version for Cubase, as it definitely DOESN'T support AU, and if you can, install the AU version to run in Logic...
for best results:
Logic = AU plug-ins (if available)
Cubase = VST plug-ins (if available)
and heck, while we're at it
ProTools = RTAS plug-ins
and drat, what's the format from MOTU?
Oh yeah,
Digital Performer = MAS
isn't it nice that each company makes their own standards?
how nice for us users, how simple and delightful
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