Just downloaded Reason 6.5 plus a couple of RE's from the shop...

[Goseba]

Midi out?

That should be in 6.500001

Mind you it will probably be done the Propellerheads way because midi doesn't work properly. It will require a new hardware midi interface as a dongle with a 6 pin DIN midi in and out.

[headquest]

Mind you it will probably be done the Propellerheads way because midi doesn't work properly. It will require a new hardware midi interface as a dongle with a 6 pin DIN midi in and out.

Strangely enough it's the other way round. By ignoring the MIDI spec in Reason v1 they were able to take shortcuts in the way MIDI works in Reason, for example automation, CC commands etc don't work the way that they would need to work in order to send MIDI out to - shock - one of those unstable external synth things that most normal people like stored away in the broom cupboard years ago.

To cut a long story short MIDI out would require a huge overhaul of the sequencer.

[saturdaysaint]

RE is for light instruments and effects only

This is a misconception. Just because the majority of the existing RE's are lightweight, doesn't mean that's the aim of the RE format. I'm sure eventually, once the SDK matures, we'll be seeing complex Omnisphere/Absynth/Reaktor style instruments in Reason. It'll just take a while.

Reaktor is a stretch (its programming environment is way more complex than Reason!) but one of the most interesting thing about RE's is that the Reason's modularity will put very different features in high demand.

There's little point in including elaborate sequencing modules, effects, and patch browsers when VST designers can include Combinators with the Reason devices we know like the back of our hands that accomplish all of those. A few tasty sound generators with well programmed comby presets will enable %90 of what you hear in the latest plugin heavyweights, with the benefit of infinite modular flexibility. I'd be really curious to see what the Spectrasonics guys could do with bare-bones REs based on oscillators, using Thor purely for filtering/modulation and NNXT for samples.

[christianmusicmaker]

While they did add those features, you're forgetting to add the fact that when talking about those features, they were talking about current technology that other developers had constructed.

I think even if you put it that way the message from Propellerheads back then was not we will not open up Reason to 3rd parties (yet) or (using format A or B) there was no indication of any of those features making it into Reason AFAICT at all, in anyway. My point is whatever the technology or formats they were referring to they made a pretty sharp U turn on those issues regardless of their previous comments about...

Audio Recording

and

3rd party plugs.


So anything is indeed possible with Props IMO. There are not doing anyting wrong by responding to their userbase but anything they say will not happen is not something I will take too seriously.

While the fact remains that those features are in Reason now, it's not just a minor detail that the technology to use those features were developed by them.

Re certainly is not a minor thing..which further suggests regardless of the feature dev time if they need to the Props will do it.

Maybe they get together with Steinberg and co-develop a tech called VeSTRe.....who knows?

I would even go as far as to say that Props will be prepared to add some manner of VST support to Reason if Re fails. TIme will tell. Props might not need to. Let's see.

[sellyoursoul]

I would be SHOCKED to see any iteration of VST tech in Reason. Wrapper included.

There's a sizable minority of users that can't even take the time to read directions on upgrading and using Re's. Can you imagine the tech support needed to implement VST's in Reason for a small company that want's to remain small?

I don't see the vst wrapper thing happening either.

On upgrading, I read the instructions, followed them exactly, but it didn't work. A couple of hours retracing steps, trying suggestions, and other nonsense finally got it going. Upgrade issues have been down to one thing: the dongle.

Strangely enough it's the other way round. By ignoring the MIDI spec in Reason v1 they were able to take shortcuts in the way MIDI works in Reason, for example automation, CC commands etc don't work the way that they would need to work in order to send MIDI out to - shock - one of those unstable external synth things that most normal people like stored away in the broom cupboard years ago.

To cut a long story short MIDI out would require a huge overhaul of the sequencer.

That is the only bit of sense that I have ever heard about no MIDI out in Reason.

[neverenoughfunk]

the key to being a Reason user is...

always waiting for the future...

i.e. just "wait" Reason will do this and that in future...

while other companies are doing it today...in some cases... yesterday too!!!

[PB2000]

I think even if you put it that way the message from Propellerheads back then was not we will not open up Reason to 3rd parties (yet) or (using format A or B) there was no indication of any of those features making it into Reason AFAICT at all, in anyway. My point is whatever the technology or formats they were referring to they made a pretty sharp U turn on those issues regardless of their previous comments about...

Audio Recording

and

3rd party plugs.

While I certainly can claim not to remember every review, report, video or interview over the past 12 years, I don't recall seeing any indication that the development team at Propellerhead had taken the stance of using the word "never" on anything. That would be pretty bold for any development company to use words like that.

I had always chalked up their position as one of caution towards the current technology with a pretty vocal user base (who doesn't have those?!?) that created more of an urban legend on their stance on features.

[PB2000]

On upgrading, I read the instructions, followed them exactly, but it didn't work. A couple of hours retracing steps, trying suggestions, and other nonsense finally got it going. Upgrade issues have been down to one thing: the dongle.

It does appear that there must have been a server issue for a group of users. However, it was also clear that there were a lot of users ready to scream bloody murder while asking questions that were clearly answered in user documents.

I can't fathom VST introduction into Reason from this example alone.

I keep getting reminded by my wife that I'm in a very small minority of users that "get" computers and software where most people don't. Not unlike a lot of users of these audio forums, it's easy to overlook a lot of the technical challenges because it comes easily / naturally to a certain group but the overwhelming majority doesn't experience that.

[myrna]

RE is for light instruments and effects only

This is a misconception. Just because the majority of the existing RE's are lightweight, doesn't mean that's the aim of the RE format. I'm sure eventually, once the SDK matures, we'll be seeing complex Omnisphere/Absynth/Reaktor style instruments in Reason. It'll just take a while.

It is not a misconception: REs works ONLY if they are light (both in terms of GUI complexity and CPU demands). Otherwise Reason crashes or freezes, like every other DAW. That was why they have never introduced VST support yet. Who can believe with RE Reason can become a HOST?! Fanboys, perhaps. RE is a very nice concept and of course. But, please, don't compare it to vst plugins. Even the "same" instruments and effects (Predator, BitSpeek etc.) are different in RE format! Why? Because REs are "plugins" FOR Reason, not plugins IN Reason. RE and VST could live together in Reason, they are different things.

[grymmjack]

Just ordered pianoteq stage. Sounds really really good.
...

Glad you like it, and it's never a problem to recommend pianoteq! Such a great instrument, and Stage is a real bargain as well.

I believe that Stage owners can also download some additional patches - log into your pianoteq account, visit the download tab, and check out what's there! I have the standard version of Pianoteq (mostly because Stage didn't exist when I first discovered pianoteq... I don't use the additional features so much). But like I say I think you canb probably download:

+ Bells & Carillons (which are worth having)
+ KIViR ptq file: this includes two really superb harpsichords and several earlier piano instruments and fortepianos. Old Erard, Bechstein, etc. Really good stuff! REALLY good!

Because they aren't sample based they will only take you a minute to download. Once you've done that all you have to do is drag and drop the ptq file directly onto the pianoteq interface and they get automatically installed. Superb

Cool thanks for the tips I'll check out those downloads.

It's pretty cool how far they were able to take this plugin away from traditional pianos.

I have a question for a piano expert

The Diapison is the central tuning basically of the piano? I see it's in hertz and can choose from 220 to some higher ones, when would you ever want this option and when would you adjust this setting?

[grymmjack]

By the way, I studied harpsichord as a speciality while I was at the Royal College of Music, and I love those early keyboard instruments. From the virtual ones I have tried, these Pianoteq ones are the best VSTs I have come across...

You're a really great player. Thanks for sharing this with us.

[saturdaysaint]

the key to being a Reason user is...

always waiting for the future...

i.e. just "wait" Reason will do this and that in future...

while other companies are doing it today...in some cases... yesterday too!!!

Maybe if you don't know how to make music. For a lot of working songwriters, it's been a go-to tool for years, even in comparatively primitive iterations.

[simesf]

I wonder if we'll see Pianoteq as an re? Small size, no complicated routing...

[grymmjack]

What DID happen to record.. i was wondering about that... seriously!! was it a failure? or...

just they decided to integrate it for the benefit of everyone? or....

??

For a bit of light relief in an otherwise heavy thread, here is a SPOOF play that speculates the story in the style of South Park!

Important Disclaimer: Please not that this play is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to the truth is merely coincidental and unintentional. Thank you.

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The Record Story.
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<larry david>pretty good...pretty pretty... pretty good!</larry david>

[PB2000]

It is not a misconception: REs works ONLY if they are light (both in terms of GUI complexity and CPU demands). Otherwise Reason crashes or freezes, like every other DAW. That was why they have never introduced VST support yet. Who can believe with RE Reason can become a HOST?! Fanboys, perhaps. RE is a very nice concept and of course. But, please, don't compare it to vst plugins. Even the "same" instruments and effects (Predator, BitSpeek etc.) are different in RE format! Why? Because REs are "plugins" FOR Reason, not plugins IN Reason. RE and VST could live together in Reason, they are different things.

GUI complexity is HIGHER in Reason as 3D modeling is required where a lot of VST development doesn't utilize 3D modeling. Current SDK requirements are extremely stringent on GUI development. Hence the delay in roll-out from U-he.

BitSpeak is more ADVANCED as a Rack Extension than as a VST.

If VST's crashes or freezes every other DAW, can you blame Propellerhead for not wanting to adopt the technology in Reason?!?

A lot of inaccuracies with this post.