TAL-U-NO-LX. Uber accurate Juno 60 emulation.

[fluffy_little_something]

Regarding the feature request, now that there are 12 voices, I do think it would make sense to include a layer mode, whereby one can detune the second layer of six voices by 5, 7 or 12 semitones. That would enable nice pad sounds without a second oscillator in the voice design I suppose Juno purists would not have to use that mode if they don't like it, the sound design as such would remain exactly the same.
In another review on another site I read something interesting. It said that while this emulation sounds pretty much like the original, one usually cannot achieve the same sound by choosing the same parameter settings as on the hardware, instead one has to use different values to achieve the same sound.

I won't contact those people's support. I don't think they even read the product blogs on their own site, there are a number of open questions in it, including one of mine.

[Ingonator]

I won't contact those people's support. I don't think they even read the product blogs on their own site, there are a number of open questions in it, including one of mine.

Don't know which people you mean. It's all done by a single developer called Patrick Kunz and he usually responds very fast to emails.


Ingo

[fluffy_little_something]

I won't contact those people's support. I don't think they even read the product blogs on their own site, there are a number of open questions in it, including one of mine.

Don't know which people you mean. It's all done by a single developer called Patrick Kunz and he usually responds very fast to emails.


Ingo

Oh, just one guy. In this case I understand he does not have much time

[lionscub68]

I won't contact those people's support. I don't think they even read the product blogs on their own site, there are a number of open questions in it, including one of mine.

Don't know which people you mean. It's all done by a single developer called Patrick Kunz and he usually responds very fast to emails.


Ingo

Oh, just one guy. In this case I understand he does not have much time

Actually, he responded to my requests and an issue report rather quickly. 5 back-n-forth emails in 24 hours. Not bad for someone who is on the other side of the globe.

Maybe it's you.

[fluffy_little_something]

I won't contact those people's support. I don't think they even read the product blogs on their own site, there are a number of open questions in it, including one of mine.

Don't know which people you mean. It's all done by a single developer called Patrick Kunz and he usually responds very fast to emails.


Ingo

Oh, just one guy. In this case I understand he does not have much time

Actually, he responded to my requests and an issue report rather quickly. 5 back-n-forth emails in 24 hours. Not bad for someone who is on the other side of the globe.

Maybe it's you.

Yes, poor guy. So I will contact him about a Noisemaker problem in a couple of weeks' time, once the U-NO dust has settled So far I had only asked about it on the Noisemaker page, where he also seems to answer questions, well, some of them, anyway.

[PAK]

Because there's not too many controls, it means Uno LX can be mapped well to generic controllers. Here's my Uno LX Automap control map for anyone who has the Novation Remote series of controllers/keyboards. Everything is on page 1, except the bender/velocity Control sliders and the Arp controls. Those are on page 2. You could squeeze the Arp controls onto page 1, but I went for a less cluttered layout. The zip file contains a PNG image with the full page 1 & 2 mappings.



https://dl.dropbox.com/u/37542806/TAL_U ... utomap.zip


Some observations about automating Uno LX..
There's some funky stuff going on with the automation response. The "KEEP" and "MIDI LEARN" buttons don't seem to light up when receiving automation data. Neither does the PANIC button blink, though it works.

The automation scaling on the Arp Tempo control is odd too. The control values in the box imply it should have a resolution of 2401 points (between 1.00 and 25.00), but the internal accuracy of the plugin seems to be set to some other value. Plus the lower the value, the slower it seems to scale. Just pretty odd behaviour.

I used 8000 points as a quick work around to deliver 0.01 fine tune tempo accuracy on the rotary, and assigned it to a regular knob below too, since you don't really need that much resolution ordinarily or when in sync mode - it's just there's enough space left over on page 2 that you might as well have it

For the same reason I assigned a rotary fine tune for cutoff/resonance directly above the regular cutoff/resonance control knobs on page one. Novation only sees a resolution of 101 points. But Uno LX responds to a higher internal resolution and doesn't report this. So I set those filter rotaries to 1001 point resolution for now. With that it's possible to get some responses from the filter which would be difficult (impossible ?) to get via the GUI.

[fmr]

Regarding the feature request, now that there are 12 voices, I do think it would make sense to include a layer mode, whereby one can detune the second layer of six voices by 5, 7 or 12 semitones. That would enable nice pad sounds without a second oscillator in the voice design I suppose Juno purists would not have to use that mode if they don't like it, the sound design as such would remain exactly the same.

If there is enough demand MAYBE Patrick will follow that path. I have been advocating it (not with two but three layers, and some other bells and whistles). If he finds the time and energy to build it, I think it will be an amazing and different synth.

[lionscub68]

Regarding the feature request, now that there are 12 voices, I do think it would make sense to include a layer mode, whereby one can detune the second layer of six voices by 5, 7 or 12 semitones. That would enable nice pad sounds without a second oscillator in the voice design I suppose Juno purists would not have to use that mode if they don't like it, the sound design as such would remain exactly the same.

If there is enough demand MAYBE Patrick will follow that path. I have been advocating it (not with two but three layers, and some other bells and whistles). If he finds the time and energy to build it, I think it will be an amazing and different synth.

Yes, quite different.
Although I do have a suggestion; what's stopping you from just insert a second instance of the plugin on a second channel in your DAW? And doing exactly what you described (detuning, etc)? The classic solution for folks who think a VST's sound is thin right there.

[braj]

I for one am glad there are no extras, just the classic synth. The simple architecture makes it very immediate and it is maybe the perfect synth for running through a effects chain. I 'grew up' on an SH-101 without memory and this architecture is perfect for my 'go to' synth that I can just start off with new patches. Other synths can boggle my mind but the juno is coherent to me.

[olikana]

i'm sure patrick will make a more fully feautured synth next.
this was also an exercise for him to prove he could get his dsp sounding 100% like the real thing.
then he'll be able to apply what he learnt on future projects.
about the layering detune thing..... pwm and chorus not enough? ...maybe he could add unison/detune like on the jx8p. personally all i'd like is faster lfo rates available. in any case better not ask for any feature requests
so he can move on faster on a bigger synth (personally i'd really love this filter and envelope within a full spec synth).

btw the 1 osc design by roland was very clever. you can make pretty much all sounds with it if you're willing to keep an open mind soundwise.

[lionscub68]

I for one am glad there are no extras, just the classic synth. The simple architecture makes it very immediate and it is maybe the perfect synth for running through a effects chain. I 'grew up' on an SH-101 without memory and this architecture is perfect for my 'go to' synth that I can just start off with new patches. Other synths can boggle my mind but the juno is coherent to me.

Same here!
The keyboards I learned synthesis on were the Juno-60 and Alpha Juno 1.
Ran those in mono through guitar pedals and fantasized about doing it stereo, and being able to turn on/off multiple effects and effect settings with one click.

Fast forward 20-25 years... and today's kids just don't have any idea how good they have it.

Get off my damn lawn, you kids!

[Ingonator]

Yes, quite different.
Although I do have a suggestion; what's stopping you from just insert a second instance of the plugin on a second channel in your DAW? And doing exactly what you described (detuning, etc)? The classic solution for folks who think a VST's sound is thin right there.

Nice idea. You could then save the different "layers" as different presets. It's also possible to use layers with different waveforms but the same filter/envelope settings to do emulations of e.g. 2 or 3 OSC synths.

I just created an example based on one of my presets. It includes the original version with the Chorus enabled and two other (with "a" and "b" at the preset name) which correspond to two layers which have to be used as two instances:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/BRS%2 ... layers.zip

The Brass sound seems to sound more "natural" (you could also call it "Jupiter like") when using two slightly detuned layers instead of the Chorus. You could check this with this example.

You will just not be able to do interactions of the oscillators like Osc Sync.

BTW those who miss an Unison in U-NO-LX (or any other synth) could try the WOK Superfake plugin:
http://music.service-1.de/html/superfak ... k_vst.html

As an analog style step sequencer WOK Clockwork seems to be very nice:
http://music.service-1.de/html/clockwor ... r_vst.html

I found this is also a nice synth to try the Cemel Audio CamelSpace plugin on, also with it's built-in TranceGate sequencer. With CamelSpace you could easily create sounds which are even difficult to do with more complex synths.
Just tried with the preset i posted above and just by switching the presets in CamelSpace i get totally different sounds.

Other FXs i'll check are e.g. CamelPhat, Waldorf D-Pole and Xils Lab Le Masque Delay.

This seems to be the perfect synth to get a bit "creative" with using layers, panning and different external FXs.


Ingo

[fluffy_little_something]

I for one am glad there are no extras, just the classic synth. The simple architecture makes it very immediate and it is maybe the perfect synth for running through a effects chain. I 'grew up' on an SH-101 without memory and this architecture is perfect for my 'go to' synth that I can just start off with new patches. Other synths can boggle my mind but the juno is coherent to me.

Same here!
The keyboards I learned synthesis on were the Juno-60 and Alpha Juno 1.
Ran those in mono through guitar pedals and fantasized about doing it stereo, and being able to turn on/off multiple effects and effect settings with one click.

Fast forward 20-25 years... and today's kids just don't have any idea how good they have it.

Get off my damn lawn, you kids!

Kids? I for one grew up mainly in the 70s, when there only were chunky analog synths around But we are no longer in the 70s and 80s (unfortunately, but also luckily, as I did not have the money back then to buy a classic Oberheim or SC synth, only a smaller used Roland).

Nor are we suggesting anything wild, basically only basic features that many analog synths already had 30 years ago.

And as Olikana has said, we are already talking about the future, TAL's next synth as we know there probably won't be any real changes to the U-NO anymore, which is OK

[Crackbaby]

Im making a Mux of it where i stack several (three to start with) of them. The benefit here is that if you open one instance of them and tweak, the others will be tweaked as well. Then there will be separate knobs for tuning, both fine tuning for fatso and for octave/note (nice one key stabby sounds!)

[braj]

Im making a Mux of it where i stack several (three to start with) of them. The benefit here is that if you open one instance of them and tweak, the others will be tweaked as well. Then there will be separate knobs for tuning, both fine tuning for fatso and for octave/note (nice one key stabby sounds!)

Nice!