MTurboReverb preset making action, let's make the ultimate reverb! ;)

[Rumi]

Reading that some algo blocks delay the onset of the reverberation, I wonder if there is a possibility for a negative delay block in MTurboReverb?

[MeldaProduction]

I'm afraid not - it is in fact sort of impossible, since that would in effect cause latency.

[Arrested Developer]

Reading this thread, I got the impression that most of you are only discussing ITB reverbs. Is this true?

Does anyone still know and use the good hardware reverbs? TC System 6000 in VSS6, Sony DRE-S777, Kurzweil KSP-8, Bricasti M7, Yamaha SPX2000, Quantecs, Zoom 9200, Roland R-880, Lexicon 480L, 300, 200, 70 etc., EMTs, heck even the Behringer V-Verb smokes most ITB reverbs. Or do you only know them from IRs (which are often rather pale sounding in comparison)?

It would be a good idea for you to open a new thread with this topic (itb-reverbs vs. hardware reverbs).

In short, having worked a lot with hi-end hardware reverbs, i think there are amazing units among them.
However, i think there are fantastic options itb too.
Two keywords:
- getting used how to work with them
- having an open ear to how they sound (and not to relate "quality" in a Pawlovian reflex to what one is used to hear).

However, a more detailed answer would include naming some brands, and since this is Melda's thread, i will not do it.

p.s. and yes, Melda does amazing plug ins.

[Rumi]

I'm afraid not - it is in fact sort of impossible, since that would in effect cause latency.

Hi Vojtech,

yes, it would of course cause latency, but that is not that much of a problem at the mixing stage, or is it?

Best,
Rumi

[MeldaProduction]

Not like that - imagine a module with latency in a feedback! It's pretty much impossible to do.

[Rumi]

By the way, VariKusBrainZ, I use the System 6000, KSP-8, Sony DRE-S777, Bricasti, Yamaha SPX2000 and Behringer V-Verb via AES, and they sound as I wish them to sound, so it's not the converters or the analog parts in the units that impart that 3-D realism and organic solidity that I hardly get from software reverbs.
(By the way, I consider the Bricasti and the Behringer the least inspiring of the units in that list. The other ones are pretty awesome.)

[Rumi]

Not like that - imagine a module with latency in a feedback! It's pretty much impossible to do.

Or a negative delay in a feedback loop - now we are talking! You could name your plugin "TurboTimeMachine"! - "Reverberate your own future!"

I was more thinking of a simple negative delay in front of or right after a module (or even the whole reverb), strictly in series, with latency compensation via host. But you're right, it probably gets very complicated very quickly.

And if I recall correctly, there are plugins that can do negative delay (Time Align from Eventide for example), so you can at least put a negative delay before or after the reverb.

[MeldaProduction]

Yeah, well, things can get very complex like that. Negative delay is trivial, our free MUtility lets you do that, so you can do it like that, but implementing it into MTurboReverb is a no go I'm afraid.

[Soarer]

I found the new video on early reflections helpful:

This is really an amazing reverb.

[plexuss]

I bought this during the current sale (75€, which ended up being $92US including a 4.5% premium added by the ecommerce provider melda uses, unfortunately).

I wouldn't say that MTurboReverb (MTR) is the only reverb I will ever need. However it is very versatile and sounds really good. One thing I like about it is the hierarchical nature of the user interface: the interface is structured such that varying degrees of fine tuning are available but nicely delineated from each other. This way if you just want to get to a specific type of reverb fast, you can, but if you want to adjust the reverb there are a few different levels of detail you can dive into.

The other nice thing about MTR is that its one of the most customizable reverbs I've used. Some of the more customizable reverbs out there, still only allow adjustment of tonal and temporal nature of the reverb, but the character of the reverb is not that adjustable. With MTR the character of the reverb is also customizable. This opens up new opportunities to create some really crazy but good sounding musical reverb and reverb-like sounds. It's probably the ultimate creative reverb.

A lot has been said about the ability to "program" your own reverb algorithms. This is true. This is one aspect I was not fond of when I tried the beta during development - my brain just doesn't work this way (coding). However I have found that I don't need to understand how to code reverb algorithms to make use of this feature - the randomization tools and the parameter adjustments for the algorithm are fun to play with and somewhat intuitive enough. I can also randomize the algorithm itself and sometimes happen on something that is useful from which I can tweek with the other parameters to end up with something new and cool sounding.

I am not about to get rid of my other reverbs though. I am still skeptical that MTR can absolutely create the sound of other reverbs... especially my go-to reverb currently which is Liquidsonics Seventh Heaven Pro. But also Pro-R, the 2Caudio reverbs etc. However I think MTR is a great addition of my reverbs in that its highly creative and capable of some really interesting reverb sounds.

[Chandlerhimself]

I know some people don't want to dig in and create the algorithms from scratch and that's understandable. However I suggest people look in the presets of the ERs and LRs. There are lots of algorithms already made that you can use. In fact you can combine them as you see fit. Randomization works too, but there are lots of great sounding algorithms already there for you to use/mix and match.

[systmu]

I just want to say that this is a very impressive reverb and at the current sale price it is a steal. I went through all these pages and listened to all the demos and was rather impressed Any Chance it can do a spring a la bx 20 though?

If we were going to choose a better reverb plugin out there though which ones would they be?

[plexuss]

Note to self: NEVER buy from Melda directly. Wait it out for a a few days to a week. Before purchasing from Melda I checked all the online retailers and it was not listed. so I bought it from Melda for $92US. the next day retailers were selling it at $15-20US off what Melda sells it for. I emailed Melda pointing this out and they gave me a song and dance and bunch of false information stating it was only 5 euro cheaper. Audio Deluxe etc sells it for $77, Melda $92 = difference of $15US.

So don't buy it from Melda. Get it from a retailer and for myself I wont' buy from Melda directly again due to the disappointing reply I got back from them about this. Ugh.

[Apratim]

i dont know if any one have noticed but turning the early/late knob to all the way late and reverb time to lowest(200ms) in the preset
Huge Spaces > caves
gives the same effect as xfer lfo tools reverb(the name reverb was the greatest hint) filter

a tip for riddim/dubstep producers who want that reverb filter effect from xfer

cpu hit is quite less for me (seriously only 200ms of reverb is not gonna kill your cpu)

[Selfik]

So don't buy it from Melda. Get it from a retailer and for myself I wont' buy from Melda directly again due to the disappointing reply I got back from them about this. Ugh.

Their support is not very customer friendly sometimes...had same exp in the past
What they also need to improve is their product upgrade paths which is >>TOTALLY WRONG<<
I own almost all of their stuff but upgrade to MXXX costs me 1000€
Makes no sense, and other upgrade paths are similary bad...