Apple announces new Mac Mini, Air + 13" MBP featuring their own M1 chip.

[Markus Krause]

As soon as Rosetta2 has been dropped all VST2, VST3 and Audio Unit plugins which have not been ported to native M1 will stop working.
You will not longer be able to load your old song-projects.

Note: Tone2 Warlock already runs in native M1. I plan to release also free updates for native support on most other plugins. Unlike what Apple's marketing says it is not easy at all.

[Ploki]

As soon as Rosetta2 has been dropped all VST2, VST3 and Audio Unit plugins which have not been ported to native M1 will stop working.
You will not longer be able to load your old song-projects.

Note: Tone2 Warlock already runs in native M1. I plan to release also free updates for native support on most other plugins. Unlike what Apple's marketing says it is not easy at all.

Kudos to you for being so swift about it (especially since you've been pretty vocal about this)

As far as when rosetta2 is dropped in 2 years:
- I specifically am cautious about using stuff where developer is at least semi-responsive
- i dropped 32bit plugs in 2011 when Logic Pro 9 was made 64-bit because i hated the bridge, so switch to Catalina for me was an absolute non-issue
- If i open a project from 2010, there's A LOT THINGS more wrong than few plugins missing.
- It's best to freeze/bounce for archiving finished projects... I sell/buy more plugins in a year than compatibility issues arise in that time. If i open a project from January, missing plugins won't be incompatible but ones i sold because i stopped using them.

i know every workflow is specific, but you can keep an old system around with all the legacy stuff for that if you absolutely necessary need to open a project from 2010 and have it play back 1:1.

You will argue the point for any reason. Youve been given enough info.

no, i'm arguing pointless points.
No shit that progress and architecture changes introduce change. Thanks for stating the obvious

[Ploki]

unfortunately i just don't see the Drama, nor did i see the Catalina drama - just like that, this seems to be blown way over proportion.
Fact is M1 wipes intel competition even via rosetta2 under same conditions in a similar thermal envelope

[UltraJv]

unfortunately i just don't see the Drama, nor did i see the Catalina drama - just like that, this seems to be blown way over proportion.
Fact is M1 wipes intel competition even via rosetta2 under same conditions in a similar thermal envelope

You seem obsessed with speed. Intel Rocket Lake is due in a few months. Intel machines wont have any of the compatibility problems. AMD is already ahead. Im glad you have "drama" free shades on - thats called ignorance

[Ploki]

You seem obsessed with speed. Intel Rocket Lake is due in a few months. Intel machines wont have any of the compatibility problems. AMD is already ahead. Im glad you have "drama" free shades on - thats called ignorance

not only speed, i'm generally excited something else is finally happening - neural engines, new way they approached a concept of general computer.

Rocket Lake what, 10nM++++++++ architecture? Give me a break.
Just like with core-speed, dye size hit a physical wall, a different approach is necessary to increase performance.

AMD is not ahead. Under the same thermal envelope, M1 smokes AMD especially when running ARM optimised stuff.

And no, it's not ignorance, I just see that I yeet things before they become problematic, that's why i could do a fresh install of Big Sur with all my 200 plugins validating without any issues whatsoever.
There's a gazillion of plugins available, some people prefer to stick with what they know, i prefer to stick with devs that are responsive - same for hardware.
My 15y old RME FireFace 800 worked on Catalina since day 1, and UFX+ is running fine on Big Sur, also Day 1.
So no, i'm not ignorant for not having issues. If anything, the opposite.
I'm not denying that there aren't potential issues, but if you stuck to 32bit plugins in 2020, i dont know why the hell would you update to catalina at all.

[Markus Krause]

These days Intel is a really weak competitor. Intel got technical problems with the production since several years now.
Check out the benchmarks for the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (€670) or the Ryzen 3900X (€400). They are 4 - 8 times faster than the M1. I'll definitely get an Ryzen9 when it gets a little cheaper.

However the M1 chipset seem to be very good when it comes to energy-efficiency and heat.

[UltraJv]

You seem obsessed with speed. Intel Rocket Lake is due in a few months. Intel machines wont have any of the compatibility problems. AMD is already ahead. Im glad you have "drama" free shades on - thats called ignorance

not only speed, i'm generally excited something else is finally happening - neural engines, new way they approached a concept of general computer.

Rocket Lake what, 10nM++++++++ architecture? Give me a break.
Just like with core-speed, dye size hit a physical wall, a different approach is necessary to increase performance.

AMD is not ahead. Under the same thermal envelope, M1 smokes AMD especially when running ARM optimised stuff.

And no, it's not ignorance, I just see that I yeet things before they become problematic, that's why i could do a fresh install of Big Sur with all my 200 plugins validating without any issues whatsoever.
There's a gazillion of plugins available, some people prefer to stick with what they know, i prefer to stick with devs that are responsive - same for hardware.
My 15y old RME FireFace 800 worked on Catalina since day 1, and UFX+ is running fine on Big Sur, also Day 1.
So no, i'm not ignorant for not having issues. If anything, the opposite.
I'm not denying that there aren't potential issues, but if you stuck to 32bit plugins in 2020, i dont know why the hell would you update to catalina at all.

Intel can squeeze far more yet. 5nm isnt mature :

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/rocke ... 5950x.html

I will leave you with this.

[zvenx]

(removed after a private convo after which, I then decided to remove this post from a public forum.)

rsp

[Ploki]

These days Intel is a really weak competitor. Intel got technical problems with the production since several years now.
Check out the benchmarks for the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (€670) or the Ryzen 3900X (€400). They are 4 - 8 times faster than the M1. I'll definitely get an Ryzen9 when it gets a little cheaper.

However the M1 chipset seem to be very good when it comes to energy-efficiency and heat.

You're comparing 65-105W TDP chips to 10W passively cooled one however.

The big question is whether apple will be able to scale performance/watt to workstation levels. If they do, 105W TDP chip will absolutely destroy AMD.
If they don't, well... i'll join the "pointless switch of architecture" gang.

[Ploki]

Intel can squeeze far more yet. 5nm isnt mature :

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/rocke ... 5950x.html

You can find such articles dating back to 2016 at least. Intel's been stuck for a while now, and their answers against AMD have so far proven unfruitful.

[Markus Krause]

One note: I am a developer and own the Mac M1, a AMD Ryzen 3700X, a AMD Ryzen5, two Intel I7 PCs, a Mac Mini with I3 and 3 older Mac Minis and 10 further computers

My AMD Ryzen is my fastest machine when it comes to audio-performanance

[Sascha Franck]

Rosetta2 is very heavy on CPU, not atall reliable and will be deprecated.

Apparently you haven't watched or read any of the reports.

[Sascha Franck]

MS already did this in the past and failed. Microsoft Surface with "Windows 10 for ARM" did not sell well.

No idea whether you've noticed yet, but these are no Surface computers but ones that will sell like hotcakes.

[Sascha Franck]

Of course reliability is an issue. If you break the keyboard, screen or trackpad, it cant be repaired. The units havnt been out long enough for these problems to arise. I guess Apple owners are used to throwing away kit when they break it. Thats your choice now with these. Does the Butterfly keyboard mean anything to you?

Again - old news. And then there's Macs lasting over a decade without any failure (plenty of them even).
And no, I'm not defending Apples tactics at all.

[Sascha Franck]

You will argue the point for any reason. Youve been given enough info.

So far, all we've seen from you is speculation rather than "info".