Fender Studio Pro 8 Released

[lfm]

Ack - apparently they tried to improve the messy take-system and made it even much worse! It's a complete disaster at this point.

Haven't had hands on recording yet on v8.
- no settings involved?

I remember vaguely something about naming takes and what happends when you doubleclick a take and similar, in v4 as my previous.
- if you aborted and did not finalize but came back later, it started from '1' again and such
- where they were positioned in the list etc

I requested some custom naming scheme to make it more useful as well.

[jens]

Ack - apparently they tried to improve the messy take-system and made it even much worse! It's a complete disaster at this point.

Haven't had hands on recording yet on v8.
- no settings involved?

No, I don't think that any settings could be the culprit - when you move takes it just messes everything up in terrible ways that I haven't even figured out yet. I think it has something to do with track-takes vs clip-takes and Studio One mixing both up in ways that are too convoluted to even begin to understand it (that goes for both of us - the machine and me). The solution seems to be to only record a single clip per track and neither ever move nor even just copy it, just to stay on the safe side.

[jens]

There's other messed up stuff too... the snap options (and more) are gone with the default toolbar settings ( at least with my screen-settings - even though there's still enough empty space left) and the only way I found to get them back is to semi-randomly remove tools until the missing controls show up again one after the other.

Also make sure to remember the fullscreen-shortcut as with the (them) missing menu there's otherwise no proper way out of the window anymore (safe from having to actually exit the application).

Stuff like that... it's not a good look right now.

[Muziksculp]

Does Fender Studio Pro 8 work very well with MPE Controllers, like the ROLI Seaboard Rise2 keyboard ?

[solvni_music]

Studio pro work very well with my jagstang

[jonljacobi]

I'm currently having an issue with MIDI input. Notes show in the MIDI monitor, but won't play a virtual instrument or record. I have all inputs selected, and the controller is defined. Just checked 7.2 and it's fine as are all the other DAWs. Am I missing something?

[jonljacobi]

Additionally, customize track header has an instrument channel toggle, but I don't see an instrument channel when I enable it.

[BONES]

Servco are the majority shareholder and therefore the majority owner of Fender. They literally do own Fender, as most of us understand the word.

Then your understanding of how business works is lacking. But my point is more about who/what Servco is. Servco is not a venture capital or private equity business, it's a distributor and retailer in the automotive sector who used to also sell Fender guitars in the 1950s. They have been in the musical instrument business since the 1930s. They have a huge presence here in Australia, with around 50 high profile car retail sites all over the country (mostly Toyota showrooms).

there’s a difference between VC and Private Equity, Fender is/was a decades-old company)

Not really in terms of outcomes, both are seeking quick and easy profits. Servco (says it) is interested in long term investments, not pump and dump operations. It's been a partner with Fender since it helped them get out from under CBS ownership in 1985. That's 40 years of partnership. Servco bought out the private equity firm who were looking to take Fender public and then dump it. They saved Fender a second time. There is nothing to fear from Servco's majority ownership. They seem to be committed to the long term success of Fender.

Ack - apparently they tried to improve the messy take-system and made it even much worse! It's a complete disaster at this point. Right now I'm having buyer's remorse even though I only paid CHF70 for the update (from V5 in my case).

"Messy take system"? You mean where you press record and play something into it? Hardly a messy operation. BTW, what's a CHF?

There's other messed up stuff too... the snap options (and more) are gone with the default toolbar settings.

Mine are still exactly where they've always been, AFAIK. I've never had cause to touch them but they seem to be where they've always been.

Also make sure to remember the fullscreen-shortcut

I didn't even know there was one but that's a problem with a lot of software. It always f**ks me over in Photoshop (because I only ever do it by accident).

Behringer/MusicTribe over Fender/Servco, I'd take that any day. Their product line aligns more with Presonus than Fenders does

That just means they'd quietly get rid of all the duplication and it wouldn't be the Behringer products they'd be culling. How can you be so stupid as not to understand that?

What do you imagine they'd do that would be worse than what Fender has done so far?

What ahs Fender done? They've put a Fender logo on the splash screen and added a whole heap of Fender software into our DAW. How f**king dare they!

Convince the people who paid for Studio One 7 that they're lucky, that'd be a good laugh.

I paid for v7 and got v8 for free, I'd call that lucky. And how come, all of a sudden, everything is Fender's fault? I'll guarantee it's all the same Presonus boneheads who've been making shit decisions around Studio One for years. Show page, Lead Architect and the rest of those useless sample-based instruments. Why is it suddenly all Fender's fault?

[revvy]

Wrong on both of your replies to me. No surprise there.

[BONES]

OK, so Servco are scavenging bastards who just want to rape and pillage Fender IP and dump the company, are they? If so, why is it taking them so long? They could have done it in 1985, or in 2012 when the bought out Western Presidio, or in 2020 when they bought out TPG. But they haven't, have they? No, they mostly seem to have been hands-off, letting the company do what the company does. So where, exactly, is the problem?

[jens]

Ack - apparently they tried to improve the messy take-system and made it even much worse! It's a complete disaster at this point. Right now I'm having buyer's remorse even though I only paid CHF70 for the update (from V5 in my case).

"Messy take system"? You mean where you press record and play something into it? Hardly a messy operation. BTW, what's a CHF?

Uhm, no, I didn't mean the recording side of it at all - I just about manage to arm a track and press record, thank you very much.

CHF is a currency.

There's other messed up stuff too... the snap options (and more) are gone with the default toolbar settings.

Mine are still exactly where they've always been, AFAIK. I've never had cause to touch them but they seem to be where they've always been.

Well, mine weren't - so that yours were is of little solace to me to be honest...

[thievedletter]

Well, mine weren't - so that yours were is of little solace to me to be honest...

You choose what custom display to use when you start a project. You can customize after by simply right clicking the bar, selecting customize and picking the elements you want displayed.

[Fidelitymusic]

What ahs Fender done? They've put a Fender logo on the splash screen and added a whole heap of Fender software into our DAW. How f**king dare they!

You're still stuck on the Fender logo/branding. I don’t care about that in the least, the main thing upsetting people is the development time they obviously reallocated to that.

Building a Fender Studio mobile application and rebranding the desktop DAW while reducing the quality of their updates, all after decreasing the update cycle from 2 years to 1 year and increasing the upgrade pricing on top of that. We can go on, removing add-on purchases directly from their store to incentivize subscriptions, locking exchange uploads behind a subscription, locking the community discussions behind a subscription

I paid for v7 and got v8 for free, I'd call that lucky. And how come, all of a sudden, everything is Fender's fault? I'll guarantee it's all the same Presonus boneheads who've been making shit decisions around Studio One for years. Show page, Lead Architect and the rest of those useless sample-based instruments. Why is it suddenly all Fender's fault?

You got it for free, not everyone who paid for 7 did.

Funny thing you bring up the “useless sample-based instruments” in particular, just a year ago you were on the forum calling people morons because they criticized these romplers. You actually thought these were fully programmable synths and were rambling out of your behind like you're still doing today. Now they’re useless, and the parent company who all of these plugins released under is not at fault?

Let’s also not forget that they initially locked Lead Architect behind the subscription paywall, leaving out perpetual license owners of Studio One v6, until the community expressed their frustrations with it and they included it in v7 perpetual alongside all subsequent rompler releases. So you can stop acting oblivious to Fenders missteps and get over the fact that people are gonna be upset with the way things have been lately.

[jens]

Well, mine weren't - so that yours were is of little solace to me to be honest...

You choose what custom display to use when you start a project. You can customize after by simply right clicking the bar, selecting customize and picking the elements you want displayed.

I think you must have misunderstood me... I am talking about individual controls that may disappear - there's no setting for these as far as I am aware of - you are quoting a reply of mine to Bones answer to another post of mine where I was actually mentioning the exact customization option you are suggesting here:

There's other messed up stuff too... the snap options (and more) are gone with the default toolbar settings ( at least with my screen-settings - even though there's still enough empty space left) and the only way I found to get them back is to semi-randomly remove tools until the missing controls show up again one after the other.

With "snap options" I don't mean the snap on/off button - I mean the normally adjacent options-menu for the snapping. And actually that's something you normally can't hide at all - even if you untick every single item in the toolbar customization-page, it's still there. But depending on which you have ticked, it disappears. I would call that a bug.

[BONES]

You're still stuck on the Fender logo/branding. I don’t care about that in the least, the main thing upsetting people is the development time they obviously reallocated to that.

And how long do you think that was? I'd say five minutes for the new splash screen with the hideous blue gradient plus maybe another minute to replace the Studio One icon with a Fender icon i n a library where its accessed as needed. SO maybe six minutes in total. It's OUTRAGEOUS!

Building a Fender Studio mobile application and rebranding the desktop DAW while reducing the quality of their updates

When did they reduce the quality of their updates? V7 has had more and better updates than v5 or v6 did and the upgrade to V8 is at least as good as the upgrade was from 5 to 6 or 6 to 7. Best of all, it was free for me, which none of the others have been.

all after decreasing the update cycle from 2 years to 1 year and increasing the upgrade pricing on top of that.

That's just a f**king lie. Upgrades used to be $149, now they are $99.

We can go on, removing add-on purchases directly from their store to incentivize subscriptions, locking exchange uploads behind a subscription, locking the community discussions behind a subscription

Sphere predates any involvement from Fender and they were doing those things back then. That's just PreSonus, it hasn't changed since the merger.

You got it for free, not everyone who paid for 7 did.

Well, maybe they shouldn't have been so eager to upgrade, to do the bidding of the corporate masters?

Funny thing you bring up the “useless sample-based instruments” in particular, just a year ago you were on the forum calling people morons because they criticized these romplers.

Yes, and it was those people I was addressing. To be fair, though, I haven't even installed them but for people to complain about things they get for free just shits me.

the parent company who all of these plugins released under is not at fault?

Well, maybe they are. Maybe they need to take a firmer hand because all the shit I'm seeing is the same old shit it was when I first bought into Studi One in 2018 or so. I don't see or feel that any of it has changed significantly since the merger.

Let’s also not forget that they initially locked Lead Architect behind the subscription paywall, leaving out perpetual license owners of Studio One v6, until the community expressed their frustrations with it and they included it in v7 perpetual alongside all subsequent rompler releases. So you can stop acting oblivious to Fenders missteps and get over the fact that people are gonna be upset with the way things have been lately.

Again, that's exactly the same kind of thing we saw with Sphere. Nothing has changed. It's all in your head.