I don't think they were ruining anything with the addition of audiomatic. I think the appeal of Reason always was due to the fact that PH "Simplified" a lot of things for the average user.Mr. Fister wrote:You've got to be talking about Audiomatic.KarmaShaman wrote:we are discussing proper devices, not whimsical, first year graduate programmer projects that made it into the general public.
Why would it be a concern at all? They sold Audiomatic separately for 6.5 users even though it came free with 7. I would be surprised if they didn't sell the new Softube amps separately for 7.0 users...
They marketed it at first like it was a great addition to Reason.....and it's the most childish toy of a device/plug that's ever been developed.
The CEO's red-headed step-son, or his new wife's kid must have made the thing and he figured "ahhh, wth...."
It's sad. It's really hard to take Reason seriously as a DAW after seeing Audiomatic, and largely makes all the recent additions look like toys. Guilty by association? Yes.
This isn't the Reason forum and I hope I'm not hurting any feelings. As a consumer and adult producer of music, that is my opinion of Audiomatic. I've never seen one other single plug-in ever threaten the integrity of a DAW like Audiomatic does.
"It's like Instagram for your audio".......
Wow....
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- KVRAF
- 8413 posts since 4 Jul, 2012 from Alesia
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- KVRAF
- 37408 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Do you need to update Reason to keep using Re's? i.e. will newer Re's only work in the latest version?
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- 68 posts since 28 Nov, 2013
Indeed. Simple.V0RT3X wrote: I don't think they were ruining anything with the addition of audiomatic. I think the appeal of Reason always was due to the fact that PH "Simplified" a lot of things for the average user.
But they're dumbing down all of Reason with that device. Actually, it's just a reminder of the target audience, perhaps.
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- 68 posts since 28 Nov, 2013
I'm pretty sure that's accurate.aMUSEd wrote:Do you need to update Reason to keep using Re's? i.e. will newer Re's only work in the latest version?
The newest RE's will require you to have the newest version of the software to be able to use their new, forward thinking and completely studio-game-changing plug-in's, "RE's".
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- 327 posts since 24 Jul, 2013
Oooh how exciting. I'm really looking forward to receiving ART MkII - Son of ART. Rumour has it that the effects include soup can reverb, rusty monkey wrench, badly grounded device and damaged tweeter cone as part of the sound enhancements. And of course the gigantic transform knob that we have all come to know and love, which follows no logical function but to 'do stuff'. Actually, some developer is touting a new RE as 'ART on Steroids' or some such claim. It will sell like hotcakes (or chocolate cake, hey Fister).
I'm still predicting that come tomorrow Props will be throwing in a decent sweetener to offset the huge amount of negativity surrounding the release. I have looked back to the days of pre v7 & v6 and while there are of course the complainers, it was nothing compared to this storm of discontent.
Now, I'm just waiting to see if we can drop WAV's into OctoRex slots. Actually I'm fairly impressed that you can drop single REX loops in. That's about all that's giving me wood with this announcement. Well, that and all the trolls on PUF.
I'm still predicting that come tomorrow Props will be throwing in a decent sweetener to offset the huge amount of negativity surrounding the release. I have looked back to the days of pre v7 & v6 and while there are of course the complainers, it was nothing compared to this storm of discontent.
Now, I'm just waiting to see if we can drop WAV's into OctoRex slots. Actually I'm fairly impressed that you can drop single REX loops in. That's about all that's giving me wood with this announcement. Well, that and all the trolls on PUF.
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- KVRian
- 997 posts since 27 Apr, 2005
anything made with SDK 2.0 will need R7.1 or later. they could of course update the SDK again, but the new Softube Amps, for example are included with R8 but are going to be sold separately for R7 users. Don't expect me to be shocked if we find that the price for those two devices is listed as more than $129 tho...
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- KVRist
- 86 posts since 21 Aug, 2007
I've been a Reason user since version 2 and I've honestly never seen as much backlash for this Reason upgrade from both skeptics and pro-Reason users alike. I mean the disdain for this $129 browser/workflow upgrade is prevalent in almost every music forum that I've been to. They almost have to atone for this in a Reason 8.5 upgrade. I'm seeing users trying to sell their license left and right.tonkatodd wrote:People complain about upgrade prices every time and they even complain if they are free upgrades but the upgrade doesn't address their issue. Ableton was criticised with 9 because it had a new browser and a few new plugins and M4L devices and people lost their wig over it saying it was Ableton forcing people to upgrade to suite to get the M4L devices. It happens with Cubase every single time they update and Avid etc and even check out the Komplete 10 thread that has people complaining about new instruments but no updates to the core programs. It's cool Flstudio offer life time free upgrades but they also throw in free upgraded Demo's and bloat because tech companies today don't stay afloat by giving everything away and after the GFC many little companies either went under or severely cut back to live. People will complain about upgrades regardless and it doesn't mean they aren't warranted or justified but it's just the way it is.
For the first time, I'm actually disappointed with the upgrade myself. But not so disappointed that I won't upgrade because the browser has always been a problem for me.
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- KVRist
- 224 posts since 23 Jun, 2005
I don't get it - is it hard for you to take Waves seriously after seeing their oneKnob plugins? ART is basically 16 of those in one. It's not my first tool of choice when I have a specific sound in mind (although it has a nasty distortion effect I often specifically go for), but it's a great tool/toy for *very* quickly trying a variety of nice character effects (ranging from chorus to distortion to EQ curves to funky convolution sounds) on a channel/bus.Mr. Fister wrote: You've got to be talking about Audiomatic.
They marketed it at first like it was a great addition to Reason.....and it's the most childish toy of a device/plug that's ever been developed.
It's sad. It's really hard to take Reason seriously as a DAW after seeing Audiomatic, and largely makes all the recent additions look like toys. Guilty by association? Yes.
It's actually extremely useful in just about any mix when an instrument seems to just need a little *something* you can't put your finger on.
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If you wish to add some random, unpredictable flavour to everything you do, then more power to you. The only two selections that are predictable are emulations of music-playback disasters (a poorly cared-for record and s heavily crunched digital file). The device is a joke, and signalled the end of Props as being known to include exciting new rack instruments/effects with each release.It's actually extremely useful in just about any mix when an instrument seems to just need a little *something* you can't put your finger on.
What does R8 have? Nothing ! Oh wait, here's where people argue that Softube amps are part of the great new features list ! Two devices that are ONLY in existence to remedy the huge commercial fuckup of devices disappearing from the STOCK effects bank.
While I'm not a fan of the A-list guitars, they could have been part of the R8 release, if only Propellerhead hadn't become so greedy for profit by exploiting it's user base. Who knows though, there may be a reactive decision to include an RE of choice upon release today to appease the public reaction. Will they review their stubborn stance ? Probably not but we shall see soon enough whether they do this, or perhaps release some feature from the vault of already developed extras.
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- KVRist
- 139 posts since 24 Mar, 2012
It is a great addition to Reason. I use it all the time primarily for the Tape and Vinyl presets. Its a creative tool I am not sure exactly what you are getting at. Because it does not work for you doesn't mean others won't find it useful. You seem you just want to complain for the sake of it and reach for whatever you can to justify your complaints. It kind of reminds me about the Pulsar promo video complaints I saw on here. "Oh they are talking down to their user base, blah, blah, blah".Mr. Fister wrote:You've got to be talking about Audiomatic.KarmaShaman wrote:we are discussing proper devices, not whimsical, first year graduate programmer projects that made it into the general public.
Why would it be a concern at all? They sold Audiomatic separately for 6.5 users even though it came free with 7. I would be surprised if they didn't sell the new Softube amps separately for 7.0 users...
They marketed it at first like it was a great addition to Reason.....and it's the most childish toy of a device/plug that's ever been developed.
KFish needs to answer a simple question. What is an outdated sound?
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oh spare me your two-bob personal psychoanalysis. If you are incapable of having a discussion without taking digs at individuals, then you should probably stick to the Props forum with all the other overdramatic people. I'm voicing concerns with the conduct of the Propellerhead company, so please make an effort to remain neutral to specific users if you wish to address their posts.
It is a great addition to Reason. I use it all the time primarily for the Tape and Vinyl presets. Its a creative tool I am not sure exactly what you are getting at. Because it does not work for you doesn't mean others won't find it useful. You seem you just want to complain for the sake of it and reach for whatever you can to justify your complaints. It kind of reminds me about the Pulsar promo video complaints I saw on here. "Oh they are talking down to their user base, blah, blah, blah".
I wonder if award winning National Geographic photographers consider Instagram filters to be creative tools... or instead work at perfecting the skills of their trade.
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- KVRist
- 224 posts since 23 Jun, 2005
Who exactly said anything about random/unpredictable (unless, I suppose, you click the "randomize" button)? I can tell you what all of the options do. I like ART because it lets you cycle through a lot of different effects options very quickly. If that's not your cup of tea, fine, but to cite it as the creative end of Props begs the questions how Waves still exists years after the introduction of oneKnob (and I find ART a lot more efficient/useful than those).KarmaShaman wrote:If you wish to add some random, unpredictable flavour to everything you do...It's actually extremely useful in just about any mix when an instrument seems to just need a little *something* you can't put your finger on.
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- KVRist
- 139 posts since 24 Mar, 2012
I responded to Fisher not you. In no way I attacked him personally, I addressed his argument/complaints, I didn't call him names etc. Nothing personal there.KarmaShaman wrote:oh spare me your two-bob personal psychoanalysis. If you are incapable of having a discussion without taking digs at individuals, then you should probably stick to the Props forum with all the other overdramatic people. I'm voicing concerns with the conduct of the Propellerhead company, so please make an effort to remain neutral to specific users if you wish to address their posts.
It is a great addition to Reason. I use it all the time primarily for the Tape and Vinyl presets. Its a creative tool I am not sure exactly what you are getting at. Because it does not work for you doesn't mean others won't find it useful. You seem you just want to complain for the sake of it and reach for whatever you can to justify your complaints. It kind of reminds me about the Pulsar promo video complaints I saw on here. "Oh they are talking down to their user base, blah, blah, blah".
I wonder if award winning National Geographic photographers consider Instagram filters to be creative tools... or instead work at perfecting the skills of their trade.
You have all right to voice your concern. I have all the right to disagree.
I don't care what National Geographic Photographers consider Instagram filters. I am concerned with what I use and consider a creative tool. I use ART as a creative tool. As far as perfecting their craft. I take it I should go learn DSP and make my own personal tape sim right. Well I have no interest when something is already available for me to achieve what I want sonically.
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KFish needs to answer a simple question. What is an outdated sound?
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- something special
- 8627 posts since 16 Mar, 2002 from Birmingham, Alabama
how is this post not taking a dig at an individual. ffs, discuss the software, the companyKarmaShaman wrote:
oh spare me your two-bob personal psychoanalysis. If you are incapable of having a discussion without taking digs at individuals, then you should probably stick to the Props forum with all the other overdramatic people. I'm voicing concerns with the conduct of the Propellerhead company, so please make an effort to remain neutral to specific users if you wish to address their posts.
I wonder if award winning National Geographic photographers consider Instagram filters to be creative tools... or instead work at perfecting the skills of their trade.
and quit snipping at each other.