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Timman · Post by **Timman** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:45 pm

I think the price is quite honest. They usually don't make sales, groupbuys and other discounts which is a plus because you will never be disappointed with buying it at that price.

2ZrgE · Post by **2ZrgE** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:48 pm

ghettosynth wrote:
trimph1 wrote: So some EDM listeners have golden ears?
You don't need golden ears to point out (the result of) mediocre filters. A lot of EDM (old definition, not new) really focuses on the sound of the filter and it matters, especially on a big system.

I'm just trying to imagine EDM dudes in an Ibiza Big Room club analyzing the quality of the filters of some random 2am Ibiza EDM track instead of looking at some chick's ass...

2ZrgE · Post by **2ZrgE** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:06 pm

ghettosynth wrote:[...]

Omnisphere is like the swiss army knife of synths, it has a little bit of everything in one convenient package and that's its selling point, but, it's not particularly good at any of the things that it does, except that, like the swiss army knife, it combines those tools in a fairly easy to use package. But, if you want granular, there are better choices, if you want sampling there are better choices, if you want a modern subtractive synth there are better choices, if you want FM, there are better choices, so, it's hard for people that have seen really good tools to get excited about a swiss army knife. As an example, the granular demonstration was cute, if you thought that it was mind-blowing, then you haven't been doing much with granular synthesis. It's like discovering that your swiss army knife has this great scissor tool that can be used to cut paper with. Holy cow, what will they come up with next?

[...]

You may be right on that swiss knife comparision, but I guess a lot of people around here already have a better FM synth, a better sampler, a better subtractive synth...me included.

But sometimes I just want to use tool that is good enough for all that tasks, and I'm sure that Ominsphere 2 will be, at least for me.

And the price seems a steal for what I get.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:16 pm

Timman wrote:I think the price is quite honest. They usually don't make sales, groupbuys and other discounts which is a plus because you will never be disappointed with buying it at that price.

Another thing i will never understand i guess. Unless you only sell plugins through your own web store, there will always be a shop where it's cheaper than elsewhere, there will always be a shop which has 30, 0r 50 % off. Going by what you say, you will always be disappointed then, until the rest of your life. Let's take the situation that a plugin gets released, and you get a special intro price. Well, the people missing the intro period will then also be disappointed that they bought it to the regular price. It's an absolute normal thing. Same with computer games. Some people can't wait, and will buy full price. Some will wait, and pay 10 € for it. And it's all good business.

I think the point again is, like has been posted so many times before, and it's still valid that you don't have to buy it. You don't have to pay $500 for it. Noone forces you. If it isn't worth it for you, fine, time to move on. Noone will be able to determine, and it's not even possible to say, what the value of the software is. It's only possible to tell what the value is for yourself, and act according to it, and to decided whether or not to buy.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:20 pm

2ZrgE wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:[...]

Omnisphere is like the swiss army knife of synths, it has a little bit of everything in one convenient package and that's its selling point, but, it's not particularly good at any of the things that it does, except that, like the swiss army knife, it combines those tools in a fairly easy to use package. But, if you want granular, there are better choices, if you want sampling there are better choices, if you want a modern subtractive synth there are better choices, if you want FM, there are better choices, so, it's hard for people that have seen really good tools to get excited about a swiss army knife. As an example, the granular demonstration was cute, if you thought that it was mind-blowing, then you haven't been doing much with granular synthesis. It's like discovering that your swiss army knife has this great scissor tool that can be used to cut paper with. Holy cow, what will they come up with next?

[...]
You may be right on that swiss knife comparision, but I guess a lot of people around here already have a better FM synth, a better sampler, a better subtractive synth...me included.

But sometimes I just want to use tool that is good enough for all that tasks, and I'm sure that Ominsphere 2 will be, at least for me.

And the price seems a steal for what I get.

As a real performing instrument, which one that can compete ?

i never used it on that purpose but associate to those real-time functions shown in one of the video demos, i assume that in addition to it generic paradigm (library included) , it make Omnisphere IMHO, second to none for real-time improvisation ?

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:23 pm

2ZrgE wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:[...]

Omnisphere is like the swiss army knife of synths, it has a little bit of everything in one convenient package and that's its selling point, but, it's not particularly good at any of the things that it does, except that, like the swiss army knife, it combines those tools in a fairly easy to use package. But, if you want granular, there are better choices, if you want sampling there are better choices, if you want a modern subtractive synth there are better choices, if you want FM, there are better choices, so, it's hard for people that have seen really good tools to get excited about a swiss army knife. As an example, the granular demonstration was cute, if you thought that it was mind-blowing, then you haven't been doing much with granular synthesis. It's like discovering that your swiss army knife has this great scissor tool that can be used to cut paper with. Holy cow, what will they come up with next?

[...]
You may be right on that swiss knife comparision, but I guess a lot of people around here already have a better FM synth, a better sampler, a better subtractive synth...me included.

But sometimes I just want to use tool that is good enough for all that tasks, and I'm sure that Ominsphere 2 will be, at least for me.

And the price seems a steal for what I get.

yup !! the workflow benefits of keeping things under one big hood are also worth considering

the performance aspects are really important in omnisphere, especially in stacking, splitting by velocity etc (of course, this can be done in other samplers, but they also come under the same swiss-army knife analogy). there are some great effects, the powerful orb (especially with omni tr), and various other functions that might tempt many users to make certain compromises

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:25 pm

It's an awesome update to say the least, but once I say the upgrade price, I was taken aback albeit slightly. That is a high price for an update. If you break it down to ratio's, the content amount might be scaled similar to the first release of omnisphere, but only in half. plus all the other features for sound design, its like buying omnisphere all over again but a omni mini version scaled to half..

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:33 pm

Tjgoa wrote:It's an awesome update to say the least, but once I say the upgrade price, I was taken aback albeit slightly. That is a high price for an update. If you break it down to ratio's, the content amount might be scaled similar to the first release of omnisphere, but only in half. plus all the other features for sound design, its like buying omnisphere all over again but a omni mini version scaled to half..

The price is also half though for existing owners, and new owners have nothing to complain about what they are getting for $500 IMO.

I can see how people with tight budgets may find this upgrade a bit steep, but the upgrade cost from Atsmophere to Omni wasn't a secret either and the initial cost definitely was not budget instrument priced. Its not as if this was a surprise.

What people are also forgetting is that $250 will get more than the initial offering. Look at all the free stuff Spectrasonics gave everyone from Omnisphere 1.0 to 1.5...

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:44 pm

right…

…thinking with our portemonnaie isn’t much different thank thinking with our...

werp · Post by **werp** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:16 pm

All these people bothered by the price...
How many people and how many years does a product like this take to brainstorm, code, record, alpha test, revise, beta test, revise...
All of these people have bills and families..
Never ceases to amaze me that consumers expect such a product to be cheap...It's not like every family in the world has to have one, it's a niche market. People are already saying ... I wish it had this & why don't you add that...

2ZrgE · Post by **2ZrgE** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:40 pm

Absolutely, and frankly, for that price you even don't get a good winter coat (sth I would wear I mean...) Or a good guitar....

basslinemaster · Post by **basslinemaster** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:49 pm

mutantdog wrote:Maybe, the price has nothing to do with it at all. Nevertheless there has been a mentality within many businesses to offset their perceived loss of revenue due to piracy by raising the price for legitimate customers.

Can you provide any evidence for this? Raising prices doesn't necessarily equal higher profits... quite the reverse sometimes...

basslinemaster · Post by **basslinemaster** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:51 pm

I don't know why anybody is complaining about the price - you get how many presets with Omnisphere? 7,000? How many other synths give you more than 500? How much does a preset pack of 128 presets cost nowadays? In my opinion, way too much, in the majority of cases, yet people don't factor this into the cost when buying a VST with a far small number of presets than Omnisphere.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:04 pm

basslinemaster wrote:I don't know why anybody is complaining about the price - you get how many presets with Omnisphere? 7,000? How many other synths give you more than 500? How much does a preset pack of 128 presets cost nowadays? In my opinion, way too much, in the majority of cases, yet people don't factor this into the cost when buying a VST with a far small number of presets than Omnisphere.

Omnisphere seems to have this attraction such as what we see here. All the whiners come out to thrash the same issues over and over.

Like I said. Get the whaaaambulances out.

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:10 pm

Quality isn't something that comes free or even cheap.

Spectrasonics is innovating in many ways here and others will eventually follow for cheaper. Its the natural cycle of things, but innovation aint cheap.

If you want to wait for the features to make it into other synths for cheaper, just wait. Though you may be waiting quite a while for something that comes close to breaking even

Any Spectrasonics news?