One Synth Challenge #74: DEXED (Jasinski Wins!)

[RichardSemper]

yea!

[bjporter]

Cool, that's 10! Thank you everyone

[Rcl]

Well I will definitely allow an exception for Sawsq for using Replika.

I am in the same boat. I used one instance on my track. It was simply the delay portion with no phaser. Nothing that couldnt be swapped out for any other delay. I go back and forth with Tal dub 2 and Replika. I guess since Replika is now payware its Tal only moving forward.

I would ask for the same exception.

[sawsq]

Oh wow, that's really nice! Thank you gals and guys!

(I think it wouldn't be a great loss actually...)

Nevertheless, if somebody thinks this still isn't fair, I kindly ask you to give the track 1 point. Thanks.


Now off for more voting -- so many great tracks!

[wagtunes]

Oh wow, that's really nice! Thank you gals and guys!

(I think it wouldn't be a great loss actually...)

Nevertheless, if somebody thinks this still isn't fair, I kindly ask you to give the track 1 point. Thanks.


Now off for more voting -- so many great tracks!

What I think isn't fair is not allowing a plugin that was perfectly okay a couple of months ago but now isn't just because you can't get it for free anymore?

How are people supposed to keep up with every plugin that was given away for free that suddenly is now payware? Do you have any idea how many free plugins I've downloaded over the last 2 years? Do you honestly think I know 100% for sure if every single one of them is still free?

Just another one of the rules that I think is totally messed up in the head. Replika is just a delay for crying out loud. It can be duplicated by any one of a hundred free delays. There's nothing special about it. But I had to redo my track this month because of an honest mistake while people are allowed to use plugs that DRASTICALLY alter the sound of the synth because they're on the "okay to use" list.

And then of course there are those DAWs that just HAPPEN to come with killer plugs that, by rights, should be paid for plugs (that's how good they are) but because we don't own that "good" DAW but some piece of crap with nothing decent in it, we have to settle for inferior plugs.

The whole plugin issue, IMO, is handled wrong. If a certain type of FX (EQ, Compression, Limiting, Delay, Reverb, etc.) is allowed, then any of those plugs should be allowed, paid or not. What's the big difference since not everybody has access to the same plugs anyway if we don't all use the same DAWs?

Am I really the only one who sees this as totally messed up?

[Reefius]

And then of course there are those DAWs that just HAPPEN to come with killer plugs that, by rights, should be paid for plugs (that's how good they are) but because we don't own that "good" DAW but some piece of crap with nothing decent in it, we have to settle for inferior plugs.

Who's stopping you from buying another DAW?

You're using Cubase, am I right? That is absolutely NOT a piece of crap with nothing decent in it. I used Cubase Elements 8 (yes, the cheapest Cubase version) for my OSC #75 track and didn't have any issues. In fact, I find the Channel Strip and EQ very useful. The only external FX I used were Voxengo Marvel GEQ for mid/side EQ and BigKixDippa to create a ducking effect. All other FX in the track comes from my cheap dumbed-down version of Cubase

It's not the DAW or FX that make great music, it's the person using them.

[H-man]

First, a late YEA from me. IMHO the effect from Replika is not all that unique so really it could have been achieved by a number of freebies ....so no big deal.

Am I really the only one who sees this as totally messed up?

It just may be Wag. They're guidelines man, and after 74 OSCs under 3 different managements one could argue that they're sound and fair ...and I mean guidelines even if referred to as rules on the OSC rules page.

Sometimes I wonder if people have forgotten that this is just a friendly competition? I love OSC cause it gives me the motivation I need to go from a 16 bar loop to a complete track and I speak from the heart when I say that I could give zero fu%ks if someone thinks that my track could/should be ruled out on a technicality.

I have pushed and idea and completed a track ...and thus, to me, I have already won

EDIT: Oh and learnt a synth too

[wagtunes]

And then of course there are those DAWs that just HAPPEN to come with killer plugs that, by rights, should be paid for plugs (that's how good they are) but because we don't own that "good" DAW but some piece of crap with nothing decent in it, we have to settle for inferior plugs.

Who's stopping you from buying another DAW?

And who's stopping anyone from buying a plugin?

All of that is besides the point. Some people clearly have a built in advantage because of the DAW they happened to buy.

I bought Fabfilter Pro Q2. I should be able to use it. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a top DAW that runs hundreds of dollars.

I get that they want to limit plugs to free ones to put everybody on the same level playing field, but they're not. The choice of DAW plays a great part in what each person can and can't do with their tracks. So everybody is not on the same level playing field.

I say let paid for plugs be used as long as the plug type itself is allowed (EQ, Delay, Reverb, Compression, etc.)

Of course I know this will never happen, so answer me this.

I have well over a hundred free plugins that I've downloaded over the last 2 years. How am I supposed to know for sure that every single one of them is still free? What am I supposed to do? Go online at the start of each month's contest and check each plug to make sure it's still free?

Sorry, but there has to be a better way to ensure that this contest is "fair" to everybody.

[H-man]

I have well over a hundred free plugins that I've downloaded over the last 2 years. How am I supposed to know for sure that every single one of them is still free? What am I supposed to do? Go online at the start of each month's contest and check each plug to make sure it's still free?

Don't want to be seen to be coming after you here Steve but that is pretty much what I do before each OSC. No harm in checking

[wagtunes]

I have well over a hundred free plugins that I've downloaded over the last 2 years. How am I supposed to know for sure that every single one of them is still free? What am I supposed to do? Go online at the start of each month's contest and check each plug to make sure it's still free?

Don't want to be seen to be coming after you here Steve but that is pretty much what I do before each OSC. No harm in checking

You have got to be kidding me. I don't even remember where I got half these plugs from. Hell, for all I know some of these sites these plugs came from may not even exist anymore. What then? Any free plug that's been abandoned is now no longer allowed?

Whatever.

I've got one last thing to say and then I'm dropping this because it's pointless.

Friendly competition? Hardly. Not when thousands of dollars in prizes are being given away each month. Think I wouldn't love to win Diversion? I sure as hell don't want to spend $169 that I don't have on it. And if you're going to tell me to make a better track so that I can win it, well, then that's where this obviously stops being a "friendly" competition.

Take away the prizes or let people use whatever they have available to them.

[H-man]

Okay, my tip ...don't use 200 plugins on an OSC track. Choose some that you think could work well with the synth of the month and stick to those.

And as for the other, have you noticed how many OSC'ers have baulked at or passed on prizes?

[mehum]

Nevertheless, if somebody thinks this still isn't fair, I kindly ask you to give the track 1 point. Thanks.

Absolutely not. If it were in your effect list and the track was admitted your track competes at the same level as everybody else's.

As wag says, how are you supposed to keep track of the current status of all your plugins? If you're not called out on it when submitting it must be valid.
I have seen some other plugs used that are not payware but are no longer available to download.

Am I really the only one who sees this as totally messed up?

Regarding the "mess", in my opinion it's not nearly as messy as you see it. I had some questions when making my first track (#72) but a quick forum search led me to the answers. Not everyone has a masters degree in Google-Fu so a FAQ further explaining the spirit of the rules would be helpful. I don't really think the rules need to change though...

To me the gray zone is positive. I see this as a personal challenge rather than a contest and this way it's up to the discretion of each entrant how far they will stray...

Do you really think that the used effects is main reason for the winners winning?

[wagtunes]

Okay, my tip ...don't use 200 plugins on an OSC track. Choose some that you think could work well with the synth of the month and stick to those.

And as for the other, have you noticed how many OSC'ers have baulked at or passed on prizes?

Hey, then they can give their prize to me. I ain't proud. I'll take it.

[H-man]

Hey, then they can give their prize to me. I ain't proud. I'll take it.

Well it has happened is always a possibility Steven. I actually bought Diversion on sale and can admit with some embarrassment that it is one of my least utilised plug-ins

Seriously tho ..let's just make some original music ... right?

[wagtunes]

Hey, then they can give their prize to me. I ain't proud. I'll take it.

Well it has happened is always a possibility Steven. I actually bought Diversion on sale and can admit with some embarrassment that it is one of my least utilised plug-ins

Seriously tho ..let's just make some original music ... right?

Right. And for the record, my argument is on principle. In the grand scheme of things, I really don't care. But when I see something that I feel is unfair, I speak out. Always been that way. Don't plan on changing anytime soon.