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CC4 · Post by **CC4** » Wed May 13, 2015 12:37 pm

tony tony chopper wrote:We have a BEATS per minute setting. IF a metronome is playing on the SAME BEATS as in BPM, then at 120BPM, the metronome should play 120 times per minute, PERIOD.

Beats per minute is a misnomer. Typically a sequencer is counting off 120 crochet/quarter notes per minute when it is set to 120bpm. If you change the time signature, say to 6/8, the metronome should match the time signature. It ticks faster because it's counting off eighth notes instead. The setting is still 120bpm, but you're not counting quarter notes anymore. You're counting eighth notes; Six per measure.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed May 13, 2015 12:42 pm

She Changed Her Mind wrote:
highkoo wrote:sjm and gol are the only posters I have consistently understood in these last few pages.
No one cares about what you do comprehend or not. In other words: just piss off.

Uh oh.

cwig · Post by **cwig** » Wed May 13, 2015 12:55 pm

She Changed Her Mind wrote:If it's the only signature it is totally irrelevant if a signature is 7/7, 7/8, 7/9.. whatsoever...

Except that 7/7 and 7/9 time signatures do not exist.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Wed May 13, 2015 1:10 pm

cwig wrote:
She Changed Her Mind wrote:If it's the only signature it is totally irrelevant if a signature is 7/7, 7/8, 7/9.. whatsoever...
Except that 7/7 and 7/9 time signatures do not exist.

Well, I am not so sure...

She Changed Her Mind · Wed May 13, 2015 1:14 pm

Cool story bro.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Wed May 13, 2015 1:19 pm

Anent to this...Carl Orff, at one time, proposed the above. Replace bottom denominator with notes.

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Wed May 13, 2015 1:54 pm

CC4 wrote:
tony tony chopper wrote:We have a BEATS per minute setting. IF a metronome is playing on the SAME BEATS as in BPM, then at 120BPM, the metronome should play 120 times per minute, PERIOD.
Beats per minute is a misnomer. Typically a sequencer is counting off 120 crochet/quarter notes per minute when it is set to 120bpm. If you change the time signature, say to 6/8, the metronome should match the time signature. It ticks faster because it's counting off eighth notes instead. The setting is still 120bpm, but you're not counting quarter notes anymore. You're counting eighth notes; Six per measure.

I agree with gol (or tony). It's his decision to break the mold of using classical time signatures. I wouldn't want to use FL if I had to work with time sigs, scores, staves, and other aspects of classical music notation. I want something that is fast to work with, and intuitive. Does this make translating musical scores into FL a pain, yeah, it does. I still think the depth of the sequencer itself is shallow. There should be a way for the user to define periods of rhythm change, any kind of rhythm change IMO.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed May 13, 2015 2:01 pm

tony tony chopper wrote:I've been presented a video of Live accelerating, for the SAME tempo, its metronome as the time signature was changed from /4 to /8.
So would you say that Live does it wrong?

Nope, that's how it should be.

Exactly as on this pic:

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Wed May 13, 2015 2:14 pm

What about beat grid subdivision? Or step subdivision?

She Changed Her Mind · Wed May 13, 2015 2:32 pm

Yes well, obviously my concepts are a bit futuristic. What rests is bs. If one can't see that 7/8 to 7/7 is just a small step in that picture than it's just laziness. What made y'all so lazy in the first place? I am not a doctor though.
My regards to EvilDragon

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Wed May 13, 2015 6:16 pm

camsr wrote:
CC4 wrote:
tony tony chopper wrote:We have a BEATS per minute setting. IF a metronome is playing on the SAME BEATS as in BPM, then at 120BPM, the metronome should play 120 times per minute, PERIOD.
Beats per minute is a misnomer. Typically a sequencer is counting off 120 crochet/quarter notes per minute when it is set to 120bpm. If you change the time signature, say to 6/8, the metronome should match the time signature. It ticks faster because it's counting off eighth notes instead. The setting is still 120bpm, but you're not counting quarter notes anymore. You're counting eighth notes; Six per measure.
I agree with gol (or tony). It's his decision to break the mold of using classical time signatures. I wouldn't want to use FL if I had to work with time sigs, scores, staves, and other aspects of classical music notation. I want something that is fast to work with, and intuitive. Does this make translating musical scores into FL a pain, yeah, it does. I still think the depth of the sequencer itself is shallow. There should be a way for the user to define periods of rhythm change, any kind of rhythm change IMO.

fast and intuitive is exactly what we are looking for. right now it's confusing and hard to work with multiple time signatures in Fl. of course this would not get in the way of normal options or make anything less intuitive. quite the opposite. right now.. working with time signatures in fl is confusing.

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Wed May 13, 2015 6:19 pm

memyselfandus wrote:
camsr wrote:
CC4 wrote:
tony tony chopper wrote:We have a BEATS per minute setting. IF a metronome is playing on the SAME BEATS as in BPM, then at 120BPM, the metronome should play 120 times per minute, PERIOD.
Beats per minute is a misnomer. Typically a sequencer is counting off 120 crochet/quarter notes per minute when it is set to 120bpm. If you change the time signature, say to 6/8, the metronome should match the time signature. It ticks faster because it's counting off eighth notes instead. The setting is still 120bpm, but you're not counting quarter notes anymore. You're counting eighth notes; Six per measure.
I agree with gol (or tony). It's his decision to break the mold of using classical time signatures. I wouldn't want to use FL if I had to work with time sigs, scores, staves, and other aspects of classical music notation. I want something that is fast to work with, and intuitive. Does this make translating musical scores into FL a pain, yeah, it does. I still think the depth of the sequencer itself is shallow. There should be a way for the user to define periods of rhythm change, any kind of rhythm change IMO.
fast and intuitive is exactly what we are looking for. right now it's confusing and hard to work with multiple time signatures in Fl. of course this would not get in the way of normal options or make anything less intuitive. quite the opposite. right now.. working with multiple time signatures in fl is confusing. none of this is going to appeal to people who like to make music that sounds like everything else out there. but having the options will not change Anything for these people either.

Allow the OPTION for multiple time signatures. If you want to change the time signature at bar 12 then this should be easy.

Make sure the metronome clicks Correctly with the current time signature. this means the accent would be on the ONE and if you are in 7/4.. The accent would come on the 1 and then click 6 more times before the 1 again.

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Wed May 13, 2015 6:23 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
tony tony chopper wrote:I've been presented a video of Live accelerating, for the SAME tempo, its metronome as the time signature was changed from /4 to /8.
So would you say that Live does it wrong?
Nope, that's how it should be.

Exactly as on this pic:

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Wed May 13, 2015 10:59 pm

She Changed Her Mind wrote:Yes well, obviously my concepts are a bit futuristic. What rests is bs. If one can't see that 7/8 to 7/7 is just a small step in that picture than it's just laziness. What made y'all so lazy in the first place? I am not a doctor though.
My regards to EvilDragon

I'm just a beginner.

She Changed Her Mind · Thu May 14, 2015 12:04 am

@trimph1
My bad. Was not my day today. I tried my best though.

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