KVR Audio

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:15 pm

everasia wrote:@msvs
Sorry to de-focus the discussion from the 1.2 update for a moment,
Is it somehow planned to support MPE at a certain point? is it technically feasible?

I've seen this has been asked before but I did not find any official reply from you.

Sorry in case it has been answered already and I've missed it.

Also is there an "official" and more organized way to send Feature Request other than dropping thoughts here?
I know there is a quite active German forum (which is like chinese to me unfortunately) so I wonder whether FR poll already exists somewhere.

+1 for MPE support!

Hanz Meyzer · Post by **Hanz Meyzer** » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:00 pm

OMG yes, please, MPE support. I could use my roli rise seaboard. AFAIK it's simply a switching midi channels mechanism, so each note get's an own midi channel.

Lets dance · Post by **Lets dance** » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:03 pm

is this libary going to be sell or its with the update?

really inspiring

edit:
in the end of the video he is answering my quetion.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:40 pm

Lets dance wrote:is this libary going to be sell or its with the update?

really inspiring

If I understand you correctly (and if I understand Manuel correctly), Avenger 1.2 will come with a core granular library that will be free update for all users. Additionally there will be a Granular expansion of lots more content, which is featured in the last video from about 7m30s, which I'd guess will be the same price as their other XPs at 70 euros.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:48 pm

Hanz Meyzer wrote:OMG yes, please, MPE support. I could use my roli rise seaboard. AFAIK it's simply a switching midi channels mechanism, so each note get's an own midi channel.

Also +1 - linnstrument user.

I think MPE is relatively easy to implement, avenger would be very expressive!

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:51 am

I gave it another go to demo this Synth. And cant help it but it does sound gorgeus. But i also cant help on the fact that the GUI is very unusable at only 1080p 23inch monitor. Either you have to have bigger monitor or higher resolution but im not sure if that would help because some of the knobs are still so tiny it hurts eyes. Even really bad looking Xils Polymoog emulation (wich sounds good) is much easier to use and doesnt cause eye-strain.

One of the best sounding instruments is being hold back by very unfunctional GUI.

Shame

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:01 am

Either you have to have bigger or higher resolution but im not sure if that would help because some of the knobs are still so tiny it hurts eyes

no trust me, Avenger looks absolut fantastic on higher resolutions. I have the 2560x1600 resolution. But 4k should look even more impressive. I can use it on up to 130% size, fits on the screen without problems, its needle-sharp and runs with 60hz.

We already thought about a solution for the future, creating a more tiny GUI skin, which you can use at 100% even on small screens. But the price is, that every subpage (amp/filer, OSC, ARP etc...) will be on its own page and tab. The workflow is way better, when you have everything on 1 screen (modulation drag and drop for example)
but we understand that there are still some people out there with small screens.

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:36 am

msvs wrote:
Either you have to have bigger or higher resolution but im not sure if that would help because some of the knobs are still so tiny it hurts eyes
no trust me, Avenger looks absolut fantastic on higher resolutions. I have the 2560x1600 resolution. But 4k should look even more impressive. I can use it on up to 130% size, fits on the screen without problems, its needle-sharp and runs with 60hz.

We already thought about a solution for the future, creating a more tiny GUI skin, which you can use at 100% even on small screens. But the price is, that every subpage (amp/filer, OSC, ARP etc...) will be on its own page and tab. The workflow is way better, when you have everything on 1 screen (modulation drag and drop for example)
but we understand that there are still some people out there with small screens.

Most people use 1080P screens (most "normal" people use 1368 x 768...yes, it is true). Kinda weird this plugin doesn't fit on the most used screen resolution when set to 100%. 94%/95% (depending on the DAW) is necessary to get the whole UI on the screen.

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:46 am

oh no

not again the "what is the standard" discussion. We already had this

result: it depends of your point of view
fact is: you can very well work on a full hd screen. Its just a cosmetic thing. Its a synth, not a graphic tool.
but fact is also: Avenger looks best with screens above full hd!

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:54 am

msvs wrote:oh no not again the "what is the standard" discussion. We already had this
result: it depends of your point of view
fact is: you can very well work on a full hd screen. Its just a cosmetic thing. Its a synth, not a graphic tool.
but fact is also: Avenger looks best with screens above full hd!

Sure. Fair enough.

I guess it is like being Apple; ditching the 3,5mm jack, because,,,welll..i don't know....

Maybe it IS time for 1440P screens!

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:51 am

you would not regret it.
I cant understand people who spend thousands of dollars in synthesizer and music equipment, but working still on a 720p screen and a weak computer.
The screen / working comfort is far more important for your creativitiy than you might realize. (as soon as you have one you will understand)

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:57 am

msvs wrote:you would not regret it.
I cant understand people who spend thousands of dollars in synthesizer and music equipment, but working still on a 720p screen and a weak computer.
The screen / working comfort is far more important for your creativitiy than you might realize. (as soon as you have one you will understand)

Sure, we agree about that. However, for many people it is a side-hobby, or they don't have the money to get a full blown studio set up.

I am running 2x 1080p for years now and i am only now considering updating to 2x 1440p because of plugins like Avenger and some games.

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:19 am

I would strongly recommend 16:10 instead of 16:9
Most tasks we do, require height (tracks in your DAW, emails, Websites etc)
even games benefit from 16:10

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:02 am

msvs wrote:you would not regret it.
I cant understand people who spend thousands of dollars in synthesizer and music equipment, but working still on a 720p screen and a weak computer.
The screen / working comfort is far more important for your creativitiy than you might realize. (as soon as you have one you will understand)

I have money for higher res screen but i dont have space for much bigger screen. And i am very comfortable using 1080P as with higher resolution i would put more work on my eyes whom arent already good because i have stigmatism.

msvs wrote:
Either you have to have bigger or higher resolution but im not sure if that would help because some of the knobs are still so tiny it hurts eyes
no trust me, Avenger looks absolut fantastic on higher resolutions. I have the 2560x1600 resolution. But 4k should look even more impressive. I can use it on up to 130% size, fits on the screen without problems, its needle-sharp and runs with 60hz.

We already thought about a solution for the future, creating a more tiny GUI skin, which you can use at 100% even on small screens. But the price is, that every subpage (amp/filer, OSC, ARP etc...) will be on its own page and tab. The workflow is way better, when you have everything on 1 screen (modulation drag and drop for example)
but we understand that there are still some people out there with small screens.

I know it looks better at higher resolution (tried on 4k tv now) but i do not agree that everything on one screen is better for work. I have used virus plugin for many years (still sometimes use) and to be honest that is one of the best layout because the workflow for me is much better when i see only few modules in front of me instead of many, better focus when programing.

Warehouseparty · Post by **Warehouseparty** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:05 am

I really thought about updating my screen to a 40" 4k TV just because of Avenger. But that would mean buying new graphics as well which would lead to updating the motherboard which would basically mean changing the whole system. Since it is still working I decided to stick with what I have. It's not that bad working with Avenger on a 24" HD screen that I need to change everything - especially since this is a hobby which takes a few hours per month. I prefer spending my money on plugins

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