Cakewalk Sonar X3

[LawrenceF]

cool but i may be missing something all this time re s1's browser.. pm me if you can if you don't wish to discuss it here. But as far as i can see logic's browser can no absolutely everything studio one's can besides drag and drop of plugins

I can't speak from authority not owning Logic 8 anymore (and of course there being a Logic 9 and X that I never owned and used) but I don't think so... but please don't take that as being a factual comment... maybe more of an uneducated impression, dunno.

Lot's of S1's drag and drop capability may go unnoticed. I'll list a few here and I guess you can clarify if Logic does any or all of it or not.

- Drop a plug (verb) to create a new send + FX bus.
- Drop the entire mixer to store all it's FX chains at once.
- Drop any plug to store it's preset or chain.
- Drop any selected midi to export a midi file.
- Drop a clip to replace all it's instances on the timeline.
- Drag / drop transient detection (grooves).
- Drag / drop audio directly to midi (extraction).
- Drag / drop drum maps directly to the piano roll.
- Drag / drop from the plugin UI to expose an envelope.
- Drag / drop plugs directly from plugin UI's to other plugin UI's chains.
- Drag / drop FX to clips.
- Drag / drop midi from the key editor directly to arrange. (new track and clip)
- Drag / drop consolidated audio stems (or regions) directly to the file system.
- Drop a file directly into arrange from the Internet (Soundcloud), with download progress on the clip in arrange.

There's some more stuff there. Again, I don't own Logic anymore (and never owned the last two versions) so you'd have to clarify some of that one way or another.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[LawrenceF]

we are talking about completely different things. I meant specifically from the file browser on the right, and as it seems the only stuff different is plug in related stuff.

Maybe just stop being so adamant about stuff you (apparently) don't know about? I don't do that, I do qualify my comments as being somewhat uniformed about things I don't know about.

Can Logic - do "absolutely everything" - related to the browser from that list or not? Can it drag drop export 42 consolidated tracks direct to the browser? Can you select 20 tracks of midi and drag it out to the browser and make a midi file? Can you drag drop a file from the Internet into Logic's arrange space from the browser?

Those things have nothing at all to do with plugins... neither does the drum map drag and drop.

So unless your answer is "Yes" to everything having nothing at all to do with plugins... "absolutely everything" isn't true? If it can, then you are right... it can do "absolutely everything". I still don't personally know (?) because you never actually answered the question you posed?

Try to relax a little, and maybe stop taking positions that are so absolute?

[satYatunes]

@LawrenceF: your last post was really good. nothing personal against anyone but everyone should learn something from it. Especially people who are really into comparing x with y.

Can someone who has already jumped into the upgrade, so called "early adopter" confirm how many of those new plugins are locked to X3? BlueTubes, Addictive Drums, etc. can these be used in other DAW? Just checking to make sure that I have options in case it turns out to be buggy. At least I can use these plugins in Reaper.

One interesting thing I noticed that CW is now a bit more open than past. They have started giving out info on next patches X3B and X3C. Which is really nice IMO. At least the roadmap is pretty clear, one can decide when to join

[trimph1]

I may just jump in around X3a. Until then...

[arachnaut]

I may just jump in around X3a. Until then...

The first download is called X3a build 211.

[trimph1]

I may just jump in around X3a. Until then...

The first download is called X3a build 211.

X2b then...

[Proteinshake]

X2b then...

... so never?

Seems they are rolling out new builds every hour. Boxed versions are 197, ESD 209 .. now it's at 211 already.

[trimph1]

X2b then...

... so never?

Seems they are rolling out new builds every hour. Boxed versions are 197, ESD 209 .. now it's at 211 already.

Like I said. I ain't gonna upgrade what with hotfixes going like that

[Proteinshake]

Like I said. I ain't gonna upgrade what with hotfixes going like that

You said it!

One interesting thing I noticed that CW is now a bit more open than past. They have started giving out info on next patches X3B and X3C. Which is really nice IMO. At least the roadmap is pretty clear, one can decide when to join

I'd rather call it: the list of bugs is pretty long and one patch just won't do!

[arachnaut]

Everyone's system is different and we all have our own workflow and ideas about how to set things up and do things.

I upgraded from Sonar Producer X2 to X3 with no problems at all.

I had it set up yesterday and I'm using it productively today.

[DJMashbot]

@LawrenceF: your last post was really good. nothing personal against anyone but everyone should learn something from it. Especially people who are really into comparing x with y.

Can someone who has already jumped into the upgrade, so called "early adopter" confirm how many of those new plugins are locked to X3? BlueTubes, Addictive Drums, etc. can these be used in other DAW? Just checking to make sure that I have options in case it turns out to be buggy. At least I can use these plugins in Reaper.

One interesting thing I noticed that CW is now a bit more open than past. They have started giving out info on next patches X3B and X3C. Which is really nice IMO. At least the roadmap is pretty clear, one can decide when to join

I went with the Studio Version, so I can only comment on a few plugs, but the Bluetube series are locked to X3. I tried to pull them up and Reaper and a message popped up saying they were tied to "X3 and above". I would assume that the other plugs would follow suit.

[sounddesigner]

Hey AROSSA, i read that Cakewalk re-did their vst engine for VST3 and that there is also improvements for older VST2 plugins, can you tell me what the improvements to older VST2 plugins performances are?

We posted a bunch of developer notes on comping, ARA, and VST enhancements. They are on our blog if you want to check it out:

http://blog.cakewalk.com

Thanks for the info link! Glad to see your presence here! Best wishes for the new release!

[AstralExistence]

how much does producer download cost for new users likewise how much for project 5 owners.

[satYatunes]

One interesting thing I noticed that CW is now a bit more open than past. They have started giving out info on next patches X3B and X3C. Which is really nice IMO. At least the roadmap is pretty clear, one can decide when to join

I'd rather call it: the list of bugs is pretty long and one patch just won't do!

Well, that's another way to look at it . I heard X3C will bring some new video features. That area is totally ignored, it's high time for it to get some love from the bakers.

I went with the Studio Version, so I can only comment on a few plugs, but the Bluetube series are locked to X3. I tried to pull them up and Reaper and a message popped up saying they were tied to "X3 and above". I would assume that the other plugs would follow suit.

Thanks for the confirmation. Are BlueTubes any good?